The key here being "consistent" which is why I included that word. I'm not arguing that it's not used negatively, as an insult, and that those uses aren't ableist when it happens. But that legitimate usage of the word also exists, particularly when people are performing actions that would in fact meet the medical definition if they do them frequently.
I do genuinely understand where you're coming from though and don't really dismiss the points you're making entirely. I agree with some of them and intend to be more careful about my use in future. I just wouldn't support a blanket approach to it. It's a case by case thing. I certainly don't support referring to narcissism as "the nword", not merely because it's silly but also because it comes off as an attempt to completely undermine the slur already referred to as that, if that's not your intent I strongly urge you to think about that issue.
I'm going to push back and say this argument fits any medical situation, including autism and such. If someone is doing something characteristic of people with Asperger's (who do it more often) and you call them autistic, that is using it in the negative way. I don't see many real difference here unless we are going to get into arguments of 'good and bad behavior" or (and I think this one is the difference in most peoples' minds) the legitimacy of a spectrum such as NPD. I realized that is where I was going wrong, personally
yeah this was what changed my mind as well. I think there are better ways to describe the phenomena than to medicalize or pathologize. I've also seen someone take it much too far and pathologize literally everyone (because obviously everyone exhibits some of these patterns of behavior at various points in time without it rising to the level of a problem that negatively impacts their lives).
I don't see many real difference here unless we are going to get into arguments of 'good and bad behavior" or (and I think this one is the difference in most peoples' minds) the legitimacy of a spectrum such as NPD. I realized that is where I was going wrong, personally
It does but someone raised a point about anxiety in yesterday's discussion that stuck with me, pointing out that anxiety disorder is also a medical condition and yet we use feeling anxious as a descriptor of something without necessarily meeting the requirements for anxiety disorder. This is how narcissistic was used by me also, to describe an action that would be absolutely 100% narcissistic in its nature as opposed to making a statement about a person being a narcissist.
Well calling someone anxious isn't really a derogatory thing is it? It's describing an emotion that isn't seen as negative. Meanwhile, I've never seen anyone call someone self-absorbed without it being intended to critique/speak negatively about that action. It's why I specifically chose autism as my example, because there are a lot of issues of people out there using it pejoratively just as narcissism is used.
Yes they do. I don't care I would literally piss on their grave and I hope the death they suffer is fucking excruciating so they can feel the sort of pain they put others through. I've dealt with narcissistics my whole life and aside from pedophiles, my hatred for narcissists will never subside. Bloodsucking selfish pieces of dogshit they deserve the absolute worst
No. Narcissists deserve to die while dozens of people are in the same place and act as if they aren't aware of him/her dying there in front.
Karma comes for each of us in its time. Just live your best life. Narcs died in their toddler years when they abandoned themselves in favor of wearing a false mask that they spend their entire lives propping up. Hell awaits them if they do not repent.
They died from the time they became a narcissist: a fake life, a stupid ego, incapable to love, lieying, cheating, being their own enemy, incapable of reponsabilities, living on others emotions and economy, not honest with themselves and others, don´t you believe they are living deads?
Yes, narcissists deserve to die alone in most cases. We all have the potential to become narcissists and that is not an excuse for them to not take responsibility for their actions. Narcissism is a very serious condition which affects many people and can be incredibly detrimental in both personal and professional relationships.
For the way they treat people yes, having just escaped from a horrific narcissistic relationship where i was treated like nothing more than something on the sole of the shoe the abuser trod on, they have no empathy for anyone other than themselves, they don’t care about anyone’s needs/requirements and think they can just float through life doing and saying what they wish. so yes, a narc DOES deserve to die a lonely life.
Yes. I have a narcissistic grandma and she's ruined my life. I hate her so much to the point I wish her death everyday
Yes…I believe they do because their not people…everyone is different but if your a narrcissist then you have no emotions because you don't care about anything or anyone you believe to be better than everyone because you think to be a self-preclamed God.
There's more of this. It turns out when you tell a bunch of people that the abuse they suffered is the doing of an evil minority, you can provoke truly profound feelings of hate. That's the same strategy Hitler used to gain power
The key here being "consistent" which is why I included that word. I'm not arguing that it's not used negatively, as an insult, and that those uses aren't ableist when it happens. But that legitimate usage of the word also exists, particularly when people are performing actions that would in fact meet the medical definition if they do them frequently.
I do genuinely understand where you're coming from though and don't really dismiss the points you're making entirely. I agree with some of them and intend to be more careful about my use in future. I just wouldn't support a blanket approach to it. It's a case by case thing. I certainly don't support referring to narcissism as "the nword", not merely because it's silly but also because it comes off as an attempt to completely undermine the slur already referred to as that, if that's not your intent I strongly urge you to think about that issue.
I'm going to push back and say this argument fits any medical situation, including autism and such. If someone is doing something characteristic of people with Asperger's (who do it more often) and you call them autistic, that is using it in the negative way. I don't see many real difference here unless we are going to get into arguments of 'good and bad behavior" or (and I think this one is the difference in most peoples' minds) the legitimacy of a spectrum such as NPD. I realized that is where I was going wrong, personally
yeah this was what changed my mind as well. I think there are better ways to describe the phenomena than to medicalize or pathologize. I've also seen someone take it much too far and pathologize literally everyone (because obviously everyone exhibits some of these patterns of behavior at various points in time without it rising to the level of a problem that negatively impacts their lives).
It does but someone raised a point about anxiety in yesterday's discussion that stuck with me, pointing out that anxiety disorder is also a medical condition and yet we use feeling anxious as a descriptor of something without necessarily meeting the requirements for anxiety disorder. This is how narcissistic was used by me also, to describe an action that would be absolutely 100% narcissistic in its nature as opposed to making a statement about a person being a narcissist.
Well calling someone anxious isn't really a derogatory thing is it? It's describing an emotion that isn't seen as negative. Meanwhile, I've never seen anyone call someone self-absorbed without it being intended to critique/speak negatively about that action. It's why I specifically chose autism as my example, because there are a lot of issues of people out there using it pejoratively just as narcissism is used.
Yeah, so it's like the R word before the name was changed, or calling someone autistic or gay as an insult
It could reach that point eventually yes. I don't see it often enough to feel it is though.
Please see and consider the edit I made about calling it the "nword" though. I have very serious hangups about that.
Okay, I'm going to do that thing I mentioned about showing negative examples.
This thread is the top google result for "Do narcissists deserve to die?"
https://www.quora.com/Do-you-think-narcissists-deserve-to-die-alone
There's more of this. It turns out when you tell a bunch of people that the abuse they suffered is the doing of an evil minority, you can provoke truly profound feelings of hate. That's the same strategy Hitler used to gain power
Lmao fuck those people.
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You mean equating. A comparison is an operation where you identify differences between two things. An equation identities similarities.
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oh interesting. I've always used them interchangeably.