Just posting an image of a man who stood in front of an actively moving tank, crawled all over it, then walked away unscathed doesn't prove anything that you think it proves.
Go do that on one of your own military's tanks today. You'd be doing me, yourself, and frankly the entire world a favour if you had the courage to try it.
The reason we don't show externally hosted images isn't because of censorship it was because of the CSAM thing that happened a bit ago that lemm.ee had a problem with
It's the 1989 Tiemaman square Tank Man picture and Xi Jinping as Whinnie the Pooh, images commonly censored in China as one of them demonstrates clear oppression and the other discredits the CCP.
Oppression is when you stand in the way of a tank and the tank stops for you, and then you climb on top of the tank and have a conversation with the guy in the tank, and then you walk off completely unharmed
Reporters were kept away by force and the CCP tried as hard as they could to hide all evidence. Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses, and many were whisked away to secret graves. Despite this, there is still significant photographic evidence
We've seen it and we've seen the alternative narrative. We tend to disagree with the US and their propaganda machine. Maybe you should question why you would believe them too? When has US propaganda lied?
There were actually numerous western reporters in the square and they all say nobody died there, some of them sent off diplomatic cables the same or the next day saying so, which were released by Wikileaks.
Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist.
Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now.
And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril
You may be in different circles than me. In my circles, it is used to poke fun at Xi Jinping, not the Chinese people. It is a caricature, just as we draw caricature of our own politicians. Despite the CCP's attempts, Westerners distinguish between race and state. Xi Jinping is not China and China is not Xi Jinping.
You do realize the only reason why people keep sharing it is because of the Barbra Streisand effect. People loyal to Xi Jinping thought hate it, so people like me share it because it's funny to see their reaction
You do realize the only reason why people keep sharing racism is because of the Barbra Streisand effect. People loyal to Xi Jinping thought hate racism, so people like me share racism because it's funny to see their reaction
And you realise that watermelons originated in Africa, right?
You realise that the origin of something doesn't determine the depictions of it supporting racist stereotypes, such as a vast array of disgustingly racist caricatures of black people eating watermelons isn't absolved by the fact that watermelons originated in Africa, right?
Have you ever seen the complete tank man video? he doesn't get run over, while in the authoritarian US state vehicles are often running into peaceful protestors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4
Recently someone started trying to bring large Lemmy instances down by posting CSAM on large instances with open sign ups, as a result the hexbear mods made it so that images from untrusted instances wouldn't be shown to hexbear users to avoid hexbear users having to see stuff like that and to reduce the mods workload, idk whether its a temporary measure or not but for now all images from untrusted instances are just replaced with the words *removed externally hosted image* on our end
I had to see and report some offensive material on that line, and while it was quickly removed by our admins I don't think there's any way to actually prevent it.
Apparently there's been some discussion on lemm.ee of getting an AI that will automatically detect CSAM and delete it automatically but idk whether anything will come of it
When being "not pro west" means not analyzing the conflict but simply adopting the same point of view as Russian propaganda just because Ukraine is supported by the west then yeah, you're pro Russia.
Why can't you see the difference? We see the west and Nato as having propagated and profited off of this conflict. Russia is guilty as well as Ukraine in fanning the flames of war. But peace is a far better alternative to war and far better than flooding the area with weapons. Weapons that will continue to do damage long after hostility ends. Pro Russia How?
When being "not pro west" means not analyzing the conflict
Just like you analyzed our news megathreads from the last year to make this assessment?
It just fucking baffles me how people from other instances feel so comfortable talking shit straight from their ass. I just don't understand the mentality. It's fucking slimy. You can just do that shit and you don't feel dirty?
You actually can and should expect that from us, we’re huge on credible sources and methodology, we’re obsessed with arriving at correct conclusions and that means starting from reliable premises.
You’ll find that we are not COVID deniers, we take COVID more seriously than probably 99% of people, you keep trying to compare us to people who’s views we don’t share at all , people whose views are actually closer to your own, which ought to give you at least some pause.
You talk about finding credible sources when you clearly have the reading comprehension of a 5 years old. I never called you a COVID denier, I compared you to them.
That’s exactly what I said you dingus. You continue COMPARING us to people whose views more closely align with your own. People to your right when we are to your left and you’re fucking projecting your own insufferable right wing tendencies onto us
Just because you reach different conclusion doesn't mean we can't point out the similarities of the process.
Again, I never said you deny COVID exist, I said you use exactly the same logic as they do to reach your own conclusions, i.e. using non credible sources to build your view of the world.
“Your process is the same that’s why you reach opposite conclusions. Meanwhile my process is better that’s why I agree with the Nazis 50% of the time!” Fuck off dipshit.
They’re not. The U.S. doing a regime change coup and putting Nazis in power in Ukraine in 2014 was imperialism, that’s why people living in parts of Ukraine like Crimea decided they didn’t want to be a part of that country anymore. Also I have no idea what Winnie the Pooh logic is supposed to mean.
You might be shocked to realize that I was already well into adulthood in early 2014 when the Euromaidan took place - as in Obama with his shriveled fleshlight Joe Biden decided to stick their noses in Ukraine (on their way to Syria and Yemen of course) caught in 1080p because Yakunovich would hinder MIC's profits to put it simply.
This thread is fucking littered with comrades begging you to read, but you just sit there and say "doesn't look like anything to me" like it's Westworld or some shit and then keep on bashing us. It's amazing, truly.
Hexbear is very categorically not pro Russia, we're just not pro West
I can't hear you, the Arms Deliverys to Ukraine are to loud!
Fuck you people. You are pro China and Russia.
We are pro China, we are not pro Russia
Same thing.
Taiwan is a Country
Not really. Not even amerikkka agrees
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Just spamming worthless links to propaganda doesn't make you right.
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Just posting an image of a man who stood in front of an actively moving tank, crawled all over it, then walked away unscathed doesn't prove anything that you think it proves.
Go do that on one of your own military's tanks today. You'd be doing me, yourself, and frankly the entire world a favour if you had the courage to try it.
Lmao imagining this nerd immediately being ventilated because "the soldiers feared for their life."
Why don’t you link a video of this incident instead of just a still image?
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I am incredibly owned rn
Lmao your instance literally blocks it. Just shows how your instance can go fuck themselves.
Our instance doesn't show any externally hosted images, it's not about what's in the image idiot
Its completely irrelevant whats inside the image, the point is you don't get shown it because your instance likes censorship.
The reason we don't show externally hosted images isn't because of censorship it was because of the CSAM thing that happened a bit ago that lemm.ee had a problem with
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correct, we don't allow racism or bigotry on our instance, fashie. sorry that offends you.
Cope.
Poor baby.
Cope.
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It's the 1989 Tiemaman square Tank Man picture and Xi Jinping as Whinnie the Pooh, images commonly censored in China as one of them demonstrates clear oppression and the other discredits the CCP.
Oppression is when you stand in the way of a tank and the tank stops for you, and then you climb on top of the tank and have a conversation with the guy in the tank, and then you walk off completely unharmed
There's a lot more where that came from
http://www.cnd.org/June4th/massacre.html
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/tiananmen-square-massacre
Also you can find plenty on reddit by just searching "Tiananmen square"
https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/11db77h/tiananmen_square_massacre_1989_bravely/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/q8savh/tiananmen_square_massacre_images/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/eyeblech/comments/v5jbog/1989_tiananmen_square_massacre_protesting_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/v4ryjb/photo_of_the_aftermath_of_tiananmen_square/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Reporters were kept away by force and the CCP tried as hard as they could to hide all evidence. Crushed protestors were washed down drains with hoses, and many were whisked away to secret graves. Despite this, there is still significant photographic evidence
(This was copy pasted from Reddit)
Sorry my dietician told me to stay away from
The first two links have plenty on them though and aren't from Reddit and I can go to archive the rest for you
You believe ridiculous
-tier propaganda about hosing bodies down drains lmao, you have absolutely nothing to offer any discussion.
I understand if you don't want to see. It's very disturbing stuff, and deeply offensive to those who love Xi Jinping thought.
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We've seen it and we've seen the alternative narrative. We tend to disagree with the US and their propaganda machine. Maybe you should question why you would believe them too? When has US propaganda lied?
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Here's the BBC on that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrYGiwhOuBo
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Hey, did those protestors have bones? Were they wearing clothes? Do you have the first clue about how the human body and/or physics work?
There were actually numerous western reporters in the square and they all say nobody died there, some of them sent off diplomatic cables the same or the next day saying so, which were released by Wikileaks.
Oh, so @CookieJarObserver is using the racist Whinnie the Pooh insult.
As always. Scratch a liberal and a fascist/racist bleeds.
You realize that this picture originated from Chinese social media right?
Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist.
Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now.
And this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril
You may be in different circles than me. In my circles, it is used to poke fun at Xi Jinping, not the Chinese people. It is a caricature, just as we draw caricature of our own politicians. Despite the CCP's attempts, Westerners distinguish between race and state. Xi Jinping is not China and China is not Xi Jinping.
There are lot's of ways to criticize a political figure or a government. But you choose the racist caricature.
Back to point 2: it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability.
But, at the end of the day, westerners imperialists love their orientalism and their covert racism.
You do realize the only reason why people keep sharing it is because of the Barbra Streisand effect. People loyal to Xi Jinping thought hate it, so people like me share it because it's funny to see their reaction
I think you should undergo the Barbara Pit effect
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Godwin's law at work https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/godwins-law
Godwin himself told people to stop invoking that shit because so many Nazis and racists try to use it as deflection.
And you realise that watermelons originated in Africa, right?
You realise that the origin of something doesn't determine the depictions of it supporting racist stereotypes, such as a vast array of disgustingly racist caricatures of black people eating watermelons isn't absolved by the fact that watermelons originated in Africa, right?
Have you ever seen the complete tank man video? he doesn't get run over, while in the authoritarian US state vehicles are often running into peaceful protestors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4
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How dare those tanks not run over that man! Don't they understand that freedom is when you just plow into people like US security forces do.
I'm fairly new to Lemmy. What does that signify? something to do with federation I guess? I can see the picture - Xi as Pooh Bear..
Recently someone started trying to bring large Lemmy instances down by posting CSAM on large instances with open sign ups, as a result the hexbear mods made it so that images from untrusted instances wouldn't be shown to hexbear users to avoid hexbear users having to see stuff like that and to reduce the mods workload, idk whether its a temporary measure or not but for now all images from untrusted instances are just replaced with the words *removed externally hosted image* on our end
So in other words our chinese censorship is censoring american freedom?
Thank you, that makes sense.
I had to see and report some offensive material on that line, and while it was quickly removed by our admins I don't think there's any way to actually prevent it.
Apparently there's been some discussion on lemm.ee of getting an AI that will automatically detect CSAM and delete it automatically but idk whether anything will come of it
you're literally pro-nazi and you're complaining about us lmao
Lmao go further supporting genocides.
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They only have state propaganda as their source. Driven insane by Hillary losing because of the Russians and their election interference.
no more half measures walter
Say that more than 3 screen inches from you supporting ethnic cleansing next time please.
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So you support the genocide in Donbas?
When being "not pro west" means not analyzing the conflict but simply adopting the same point of view as Russian propaganda just because Ukraine is supported by the west then yeah, you're pro Russia.
What is the Russian propaganda that we’re repeating in regard to Ukraine?
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Why can't you see the difference? We see the west and Nato as having propagated and profited off of this conflict. Russia is guilty as well as Ukraine in fanning the flames of war. But peace is a far better alternative to war and far better than flooding the area with weapons. Weapons that will continue to do damage long after hostility ends. Pro Russia How?
Just like you analyzed our news megathreads from the last year to make this assessment?
It just fucking baffles me how people from other instances feel so comfortable talking shit straight from their ass. I just don't understand the mentality. It's fucking slimy. You can just do that shit and you don't feel dirty?
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No thanks, I'm not into brigading :)
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Nah, I just don't like being subjected to Chinese propaganda or any other propaganda as a matter of fact...
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If all your sources are propaganda then what does that make your claims? 🤔
Want me to find sources that COVID doesn't exist, that the earth is flat, that the moon landing never happened?
You know just because you have a source behind what you say it doesn't make it right, that's the stuff you learn by staying in school.
Okay, then vet the sources big guy.
Why would I bother finding tons of actual credible sources when I can't expect the same from you?
You actually can and should expect that from us, we’re huge on credible sources and methodology, we’re obsessed with arriving at correct conclusions and that means starting from reliable premises.
Yeah you're huge on credible sources just as much as COVID deniers are, where credible = anything that supports your point of view 👍
You’ll find that we are not COVID deniers, we take COVID more seriously than probably 99% of people, you keep trying to compare us to people who’s views we don’t share at all , people whose views are actually closer to your own, which ought to give you at least some pause.
You talk about finding credible sources when you clearly have the reading comprehension of a 5 years old. I never called you a COVID denier, I compared you to them.
That’s exactly what I said you dingus. You continue COMPARING us to people whose views more closely align with your own. People to your right when we are to your left and you’re fucking projecting your own insufferable right wing tendencies onto us
Just because you reach different conclusion doesn't mean we can't point out the similarities of the process.
Again, I never said you deny COVID exist, I said you use exactly the same logic as they do to reach your own conclusions, i.e. using non credible sources to build your view of the world.
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“Your process is the same that’s why you reach opposite conclusions. Meanwhile my process is better that’s why I agree with the Nazis 50% of the time!” Fuck off dipshit.
I agree with the Nazis now? That's a pretty big jump you did there, you might want to try your hand at joining the Olympics team!
Tell us more about how we must fight to the last Ukranian to save grand western civilization from the barbaric asiatic hordes of Russians
So American imperialism bad, Russian imperialism good? 🤔
Russia isn’t doing imperialism, but America was when it backed the 2014 coup to oust the democratically elected government of Ukraine.
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That's some Winnie the Pooh logic right there!
Russia isn't doing imperialism, fucking hell 😂
They’re not. The U.S. doing a regime change coup and putting Nazis in power in Ukraine in 2014 was imperialism, that’s why people living in parts of Ukraine like Crimea decided they didn’t want to be a part of that country anymore. Also I have no idea what Winnie the Pooh logic is supposed to mean.
Just bog standard racism/yellow peril
You might be shocked to realize that I was already well into adulthood in early 2014 when the Euromaidan took place - as in Obama with his shriveled fleshlight Joe Biden decided to stick their noses in Ukraine (on their way to Syria and Yemen of course) caught in 1080p because Yakunovich would hinder MIC's profits to put it simply.
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brb, off to reinstate the Ministerium für Staatssicherheit
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This thread is fucking littered with comrades begging you to read, but you just sit there and say "doesn't look like anything to me" like it's Westworld or some shit and then keep on bashing us. It's amazing, truly.
Your missed the word "credible" there
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Why do you think it is impossible to just dislike two things at once?