• zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    11 months ago

    Kim Jung Un supports Hamas, just like Iran and Syria

    is just the latest remix of Bush Jr's "Axis of Evil" speech.

    I can't imagine how the logistics of a NK to Gaza support network is supposed to even function. Yes, it makes Kim look cool on here, but none of it really passes the smell test. Not when the US is impounding Iranian cargo ships with impunity and suffocating the entire Levant with surveillance tech.

    Unless NKorea has a teleporter, I'm not clear on how anything they might try to send can reach anyone currently in Gaza.

    • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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      11 months ago

      I have seen at least two pictures of Hamas militants with what were identified as North Korean made RPGs. I think they're able to get supplies into Gaza the same way Hamas gets other supplies in.

      • GriffithDidNothingWrong [comrade/them]
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        11 months ago

        Conflict zones like the middle east are hot markets for arms dealers and surplus materiel tend to accumulate there. I doubt there's any direct conduit between the two countries though

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        11 months ago

        identified as North Korean made RPGs

        Identified by whom? The same folks that gave us "40 decapitated babies", "they bombed their own hospital", and "we did DNA testing on a random skull fragment to confirm Hamas killed Shani Nicole Louk"?

        I think they're able to get supplies into Gaza the same way Hamas gets other supplies in.

        The Hamas group has a (likely entirely overstated) tunnel network across borders and a (likely entirely overstated) Mediterranean smuggling operation. That gets you a very limited set of imports from Egypt and perhaps Lebanon, Syria, Cyprus, or Turkey if they can really stretch it without the IDF noticing. None of these countries are doing regular direct trade with a small largely agrarian country on the opposite side of Asia. Nothing from North Korea is getting through the Suez Canal, nevermind it getting packed in across the entire length of Russia. Certainly not a militia's worth of rocket propelled grenades. Come the fuck on.

        This shit is almost certainly all home grown. From Egypt or Syria? Very likely. Robbed from the Israelis? Definitely possible. Brought in from Iraq? Sure. Brought in from Iran? Maybe. Brought in from Ukraine? Not outside the bounds of possibility. Brought in from the opposite side of the hemisphere? Give me a fucking break. Might as well claim they're receiving arms from Haiti or Nunavut.

        • Dolores [love/loves]
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          11 months ago

          real north korean arms are in the levant from when the USSR facilitated them sending arms there, it's not at all unbelievable they're genuine but a bit beyond the pale to suggest korea specifically shipped it to Hamas recently. the news mega is a little weird about id'ing weapon provenance and extrapolating direct shipments/support when even iranian weapons are very likely mostly from middle men procuring them from the direct support iran gives iraqi groups or hezbollah

        • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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          11 months ago

          No, the identification was not produced by the IOF, but other users in the news mega. Anyway you're clearly an expert so I'll defer to you.

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            11 months ago

            Anyway you're clearly an expert

            You don't have to be an expert on arms trade to know that two countries under intense surveillance and at vast distances will have a very difficult time conducting an arms trade.

            "How could this be possible?" isn't a question anyone seems capable of seriously answering.

            • RedDawn [he/him]
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              11 months ago

              People have literally answered you, and you would probably get even better engagement asking the question straightforwardly, instead of rhetorically, trying to insist that it isn't happening based on vibes.

            • oregoncom [he/him]
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              11 months ago

              NK -> China -> Ship to Egypt -> Tunnel to Gaza

              Or NK -> Russia -> Syria -> Lebanese Hezbollah -> Gaza

              What's israel gonna do, inspect every piece of cargo from China that goes through the suez canal?

        • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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          11 months ago

          Dude DPRK has been involved in materially supporting Palestine for decades. You are not adequately informed here to speak so confidently

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            11 months ago

            How is the DPRK smuggling this shit in? What is that supply line even supposed to look like?

            Back in 2010, a bunch of Turkish activists tried to send a flotilla to Gaza. They were intercepted and attacked by Israeli forces. That was before the renewed Israeli conflict with Lebanon and the US bombing of Syria, and when the southern border with Egypt wasn't sealed shut. You can't just move in and out of Gaza unmolested. No more than you could take a sailboat to Cuba.

            How the fuck is the DPRK getting hundreds of rounds of munitions into a country that struggles to keep itself fed? This seems like a huge stretch to simply take at face value.

            • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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              11 months ago

              DPRK: We are materially supporting Palestinian resistance

              Hamas: We receive material support from DPRK

              Palestinian Protesters: Holding up signs of KJU and Putin

              Western Media: North Korea is arming Hamas

              You: But HOW COULD IT BE??!

                • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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                  11 months ago

                  How am I supposed to know about international arm smuggling routes? This user doesn’t either. All parties involved agree it’s happening

                • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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                  11 months ago

                  North Korean ships to Russia

                  Russia ships to domestic and regional arms dealers

                  Arms dealers smuggle their weapons into Palestine

                  Turkey, Syria, and Egypt are all next to Israel. There are people there who have sympathies with Palestine but not Russia/NK, or with both Palestine and Russia/NK, or with none of them and want a paycheck. The underworld is full of strange bedfellows. The CIA and MI5/6 were once filled with communists.

                  There are also reports that some IDF units have been smuggling weapons to Hamas as well. If you’re lucky to turn a border guard or someone else critical to the supply chain, you can pass through undetected.

        • oregoncom [he/him]
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          11 months ago

          NK -> China -> Egypt -> Gaza

          Even without Chinese support NK can probably smuggle things into China. Israel and the US does not have any ability to monitor every shipment from China to Egypt directly, let alone all goods going through the suez canal. There's definitely tunnels from Gaza to Egypt.

    • Kaplya
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      11 months ago

      I mean, Hezbollah was literally trained by the DPRK who also taught them the tunneling system. They fought very well against Israel in 2006.

    • Pili [any, any]
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      11 months ago

      If you think quantum mechanics is weird and crazy, wait until you hear what juche mechanics can do.

    • RyanGosling [none/use name]
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      11 months ago

      North Korea borders Russia, and Russia is connected to Palestine through land and through friendly nations. Also, you don’t need to have a North Korean physically smuggle weapons and food to Palestine. You just need a lot of money to pay someone near the territories to do it for you.