I went to school to be a butcher, originally. I actually know how to break down a whole beef into primals, then, i can passingly get primals broken down into finish cuts. Ive done that in the past several times. Chickens too, from live to its final nugget form.
I agree fully, if youre going to eat it, you should be able to stomach the task.
Im also a vegetarian, so make of that what you will.
Most dudes i know (im from texas, home of the manly man) will do the bare minimum to prevent spoilage, but nothing beyond that. Hell, most of the guys i know go to ‘caged hunts’. with on site processing. It a hunt on a game ranch. game ranches have fences high enough that Nilgai, mule deer, whitetail and the like cannot get over.
You sleep in a lodge, someone makes your breakfast, feeds you, drives you to a blind or stand on their property, and lets you go. Some provide guns and ammunition.
After you shoot Bambi, they take the carcass, dress it, process it, and you get back some steaks and some 2lb chubbs of ground meat. Then you go back to the lodge, brag about what a stud you are, drink tequila, and let someone else cook dinner for you.
Most dudes i know (im from texas, home of the manly man) will do the bare minimum to prevent spoilage, but nothing beyond that. Hell, most of the guys i know go to ‘caged hunts’. with on site processing. It a hunt on a game ranch. game ranches have fences high enough that Nilgai, mule deer, whitetail and the like cannot get over.
It's that "pull the trigger that makes you man, it's an old safari, the hunt is canned" part from Megadeth's Countdown To Extinction as an actual paid experience.
They typically are. Thousands of dollars per head, then a charge per gun.
Its a way for a man with a very fragile idea of what a man is (whatever the fuck even makes a ‘man’ a man.) to feel manly. Go outside and kill some nature. I unironically see a lot of ‘the west wasnt won on salad’ bumper stickers on Ford pick em up trucks here.
Last year we had to stash a deer in a creek because we still had two mountains tonget over tonget back to camp so we hiked back with packbaskets to bone it out the next day.
Once again, rednecks in upstate new york are smarter and more authentic than the Texans driving a 150k truck that's never left pavement.
My wife has never shot a deer in her life, but she's skinned and butchered a few her dad brought down during hunting season. Genuinely kinda terrifying to watch her work.
She does have a cousin that lives out in Victoria and herds cattle as a big part of her family income. They do the whole job, from bottle feeding the calves to BBQing the brisket.
Where im From, beef is big business. I have several friends who are mulit generation farmers and ranchers. Ive helped birth cows, then helped slaughter and process them when the time has come. My former best friend is still a USDA certified mobile beef processor. I was his assistant when i was going thru school.
It sure as fuck isnt for everyone. I guarantee if everyone could only eat what they processed personally, r/steak would not exist.
No. If I had to process all my meat, I'm reasonably certain I'd throw my back out inside the first month. Nevermind fainting at the sight of all that blood. But also, "if everybody had to do their own X" is a tired hypothetical that ignores why we have all these surpluses to begin with. If I had to drill my own oil wells and smelt my own steel and assemble my own fan motors and stamp my own computer chips and synthesize my own techno beats, I wouldn't have anything resembling a modern quality of life.
But raise somebody to kill animals from a young age, and it absolutely could be for everyone. This is, again, a basic tenant of FFA and other such organizations. Normalize the brutality of the agrarian economy before you reach the age where it feels weird. Get a ten-year-old's hands dirty, so that they'll be mechanically slaughtering animals by the time they turn 20. Inure people to the screams and the sad eyes and the horror.
Then everyone can have the mentality of the cast of Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
if everyone could only eat what they processed personally, r/steak would not exist
It absolutely wood and it would be even worse than it is now. A grotesquery of macabre horror that fans would call you a pussy for failing to enjoy.
Sounds like she knows the amount of work that goes into putting a piece of meat on a plate.
While I'm glad they aren't owned by Tyson. It's still exploding a living being for capitol. I'm sure they have a great early life I doubt the amount of shear terror they are put through justifies a life worth living.
Sounds like she knows the amount of work that goes into putting a piece of meat on a plate.
It's still just kinda horrifying - in my mind, at least - to see the detachment she's capable of.
I'm sure they have a great early life I doubt the amount of shear terror they are put through justifies a life worth living.
That is the nature of the agricultural industry. You're one of the sin-eaters of the nation, and - if you're clever about it - you can live comfortably doing the bloody work of the industry for other people.
At the same time, I don't think there would be any real benefit if they just put their animals into big cattle cars and shipped them into centrally located urban wet markets. I'm not sure how the patriarch of every household personally handling the bolt gun and the butcher knife gets us to veganism.
I'll spot one possible benefit. If you had to buy and accept the whole cow, rather than just the choicest cuts, and work your way through the deep freezer before you got another animal, we might cut back on the volume of waste. Its something I've kinda wanted to do myself - just go in with a neighbor on a full sized cow every year and that's my meat allotment until next season - except I don't have the kind of real estate for a proper deep freeze.
But I could see this as a kind of compromise solution for MUDs. One apartment with ten units gets a ration of X animals that are butchered and preserved on site, rather than individual folks floating out to the grocery store at odd intervals buying random cuts and letting the big boxes dispose of the excess every night.
Or doing big cook-outs around a single animal to feed the proverbial village on festival days rather than piling up pounds of dead flesh for the trash heap in order to guarantee something is always under glass when you decide to drop by.
Anything so that we're not just creating life so we can throw it away again, so cruelly and casually.
Thanks for the comment that was well worded and thoughtful.
Humans are capable of frightening detachment. Ask any omnivores that has never stepped into a packaging plant.
Your thoughts on disruption are interesting. But I fear it would just make a market for choice cuts which people of means could easily take advantage of.
I find it endearing we share the same goals, limiting cruelty. I hope lab grown meat brings that about. It would make many vegans question their stance and hopefully treat their dogs and cats better.
Humans are capable of frightening detachment. Ask any omnivores that has never stepped into a packaging plant.
At some level, it is necessary. If I had to consider all the ramifications of each of my actions, how could I ever bring myself to poop?
I hope lab grown meat brings that about.
Me too. Honestly, given the state of the agricultural industry (particularly with increased rate of disease and the impact of heat waves on herd stability), I could see large livestock herds as economically non-viable in my lifetime. I guess we solve the problem of animal cruelty by everything just kinda... dying out. Then lab grown meat becomes a delicacy and we just get to live in Demolition Man's future.
Oh definitely necessary. Otherwise we'd all die of trama.
Unfortunately it has to happen that way because so many don't want to confront the cruelity their diet causes. But I don't think it's all doom and gloom from that point I think we can learn to reappreciate our animal friends. Maybe even uplift them to our understanding.
Unfortunately it has to happen that way because so many don't want to confront the cruelity their diet causes.
Individually, their diets don't affect the volume of cruelty. This is a moralistic decision, not a consequential one. The volume of waste demonstrates as much. When we're simply trashing 40% of our agricultural product, whether or not you eat the meat has no effect on if the cow is raised and slaughtered. All it affects is whether the meat goes in your mouth or in the trash.
Which isn't an argument for or against veganism. But its trivial to reconcile the decision one way or another, knowing your consumer choices have no impact on whether these animals live or die.
I mentioned it elsewhere in this thread, I got a friend of mine that went hunting with me to go vegetarian after getting to the dressing part. I don't think most people can handle seeing it up close
I went to school to be a butcher, originally. I actually know how to break down a whole beef into primals, then, i can passingly get primals broken down into finish cuts. Ive done that in the past several times. Chickens too, from live to its final nugget form.
I agree fully, if youre going to eat it, you should be able to stomach the task.
Im also a vegetarian, so make of that what you will.
I've known omnivores that couldn't field dress a dear they shot... They took it to a processer.
Most dudes i know (im from texas, home of the manly man) will do the bare minimum to prevent spoilage, but nothing beyond that. Hell, most of the guys i know go to ‘caged hunts’. with on site processing. It a hunt on a game ranch. game ranches have fences high enough that Nilgai, mule deer, whitetail and the like cannot get over.
You sleep in a lodge, someone makes your breakfast, feeds you, drives you to a blind or stand on their property, and lets you go. Some provide guns and ammunition.
After you shoot Bambi, they take the carcass, dress it, process it, and you get back some steaks and some 2lb chubbs of ground meat. Then you go back to the lodge, brag about what a stud you are, drink tequila, and let someone else cook dinner for you.
It's that "pull the trigger that makes you man, it's an old safari, the hunt is canned" part from Megadeth's Countdown To Extinction as an actual paid experience.
Yes it is, to a T.
Sounds like a event only the rich can afford.
They typically are. Thousands of dollars per head, then a charge per gun.
Its a way for a man with a very fragile idea of what a man is (whatever the fuck even makes a ‘man’ a man.) to feel manly. Go outside and kill some nature. I unironically see a lot of ‘the west wasnt won on salad’ bumper stickers on Ford pick em up trucks here.
Fragile masculinity is fragile.
Sounds very Texas.
Last year we had to stash a deer in a creek because we still had two mountains tonget over tonget back to camp so we hiked back with packbaskets to bone it out the next day.
Once again, rednecks in upstate new york are smarter and more authentic than the Texans driving a 150k truck that's never left pavement.
My wife has never shot a deer in her life, but she's skinned and butchered a few her dad brought down during hunting season. Genuinely kinda terrifying to watch her work.
She does have a cousin that lives out in Victoria and herds cattle as a big part of her family income. They do the whole job, from bottle feeding the calves to BBQing the brisket.
Where im From, beef is big business. I have several friends who are mulit generation farmers and ranchers. Ive helped birth cows, then helped slaughter and process them when the time has come. My former best friend is still a USDA certified mobile beef processor. I was his assistant when i was going thru school.
It sure as fuck isnt for everyone. I guarantee if everyone could only eat what they processed personally, r/steak would not exist.
No. If I had to process all my meat, I'm reasonably certain I'd throw my back out inside the first month. Nevermind fainting at the sight of all that blood. But also, "if everybody had to do their own X" is a tired hypothetical that ignores why we have all these surpluses to begin with. If I had to drill my own oil wells and smelt my own steel and assemble my own fan motors and stamp my own computer chips and synthesize my own techno beats, I wouldn't have anything resembling a modern quality of life.
But raise somebody to kill animals from a young age, and it absolutely could be for everyone. This is, again, a basic tenant of FFA and other such organizations. Normalize the brutality of the agrarian economy before you reach the age where it feels weird. Get a ten-year-old's hands dirty, so that they'll be mechanically slaughtering animals by the time they turn 20. Inure people to the screams and the sad eyes and the horror.
Then everyone can have the mentality of the cast of Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
It absolutely wood and it would be even worse than it is now. A grotesquery of macabre horror that fans would call you a pussy for failing to enjoy.
Sounds like she knows the amount of work that goes into putting a piece of meat on a plate.
While I'm glad they aren't owned by Tyson. It's still exploding a living being for capitol. I'm sure they have a great early life I doubt the amount of shear terror they are put through justifies a life worth living.
It's still just kinda horrifying - in my mind, at least - to see the detachment she's capable of.
That is the nature of the agricultural industry. You're one of the sin-eaters of the nation, and - if you're clever about it - you can live comfortably doing the bloody work of the industry for other people.
At the same time, I don't think there would be any real benefit if they just put their animals into big cattle cars and shipped them into centrally located urban wet markets. I'm not sure how the patriarch of every household personally handling the bolt gun and the butcher knife gets us to veganism.
I'll spot one possible benefit. If you had to buy and accept the whole cow, rather than just the choicest cuts, and work your way through the deep freezer before you got another animal, we might cut back on the volume of waste. Its something I've kinda wanted to do myself - just go in with a neighbor on a full sized cow every year and that's my meat allotment until next season - except I don't have the kind of real estate for a proper deep freeze.
But I could see this as a kind of compromise solution for MUDs. One apartment with ten units gets a ration of X animals that are butchered and preserved on site, rather than individual folks floating out to the grocery store at odd intervals buying random cuts and letting the big boxes dispose of the excess every night.
Or doing big cook-outs around a single animal to feed the proverbial village on festival days rather than piling up pounds of dead flesh for the trash heap in order to guarantee something is always under glass when you decide to drop by.
Anything so that we're not just creating life so we can throw it away again, so cruelly and casually.
Thanks for the comment that was well worded and thoughtful.
Humans are capable of frightening detachment. Ask any omnivores that has never stepped into a packaging plant.
Your thoughts on disruption are interesting. But I fear it would just make a market for choice cuts which people of means could easily take advantage of.
I find it endearing we share the same goals, limiting cruelty. I hope lab grown meat brings that about. It would make many vegans question their stance and hopefully treat their dogs and cats better.
At some level, it is necessary. If I had to consider all the ramifications of each of my actions, how could I ever bring myself to poop?
Me too. Honestly, given the state of the agricultural industry (particularly with increased rate of disease and the impact of heat waves on herd stability), I could see large livestock herds as economically non-viable in my lifetime. I guess we solve the problem of animal cruelty by everything just kinda... dying out. Then lab grown meat becomes a delicacy and we just get to live in Demolition Man's future.
Oh definitely necessary. Otherwise we'd all die of trama.
Unfortunately it has to happen that way because so many don't want to confront the cruelity their diet causes. But I don't think it's all doom and gloom from that point I think we can learn to reappreciate our animal friends. Maybe even uplift them to our understanding.
Individually, their diets don't affect the volume of cruelty. This is a moralistic decision, not a consequential one. The volume of waste demonstrates as much. When we're simply trashing 40% of our agricultural product, whether or not you eat the meat has no effect on if the cow is raised and slaughtered. All it affects is whether the meat goes in your mouth or in the trash.
Which isn't an argument for or against veganism. But its trivial to reconcile the decision one way or another, knowing your consumer choices have no impact on whether these animals live or die.
I mentioned it elsewhere in this thread, I got a friend of mine that went hunting with me to go vegetarian after getting to the dressing part. I don't think most people can handle seeing it up close
Lmao your pfp
There are schools specifically for butchers?
breaking a carcass down into the relevant muscle groups is not a trivial task
I'd imagine it's a little similar to being a massage therapist or osteopath or something, tons of anatomical knowledge (but only muscle and bone)