Tunnel system in south Lebanon runs hundreds of kms, up to the border and even into Israel; launchers can fire precision-guided missiles from there, then disappear, says Tal Beeri
have to justify the attack on Lebanon somehow
also why don't we have a burning Israeli flag emoji?
ok yeah I actually responded with that above but it seems that that's not the reason.
I'm wondering then how it would be misused as you said below? The only thing I can think of is it would be misused by antisemites, but that sort of feels like we're equating Judaism and Israel, which is something we are explicitly trying not to do. What is burning is pretty clearly the flag itself which represents Israel and not Judaism.
It just feels like it makes more sense to have a burning Israeli flag than a burning Philippines flag. Would rather a settler colony burn than a neocolonial victim of US imperialism with an ongoing communist insurgency (although I don't actually know their relation to the flag).
ok, well I'm not sure I totally agree, I've already been called an antisemite and a Jew-hater for merely opposing Palestinian genocide, even when presenting my position in terms a liberal can understand. I'm not sure how much more damage a burning Israeli flag can do to our image, and at least it would be in line with our values. However, I will accept the Hexbear party line and lay off it.
we didn't have a vote if that's what you're asking. but if users really really want a burning star of david which the woman who does 90% of our emojis has very justifiably voiced hesitance about, they can. if they do it themselves and overcome the rest of us who support whyesseff's decision about it.
Ah, when GinAndJuche said it was the party line, I thought the mods might have officially released something on the topic. We're not really talking about demcent in this context, then.
The whole burning flag thing has become a really weird fixation, and I've seen it on a lot of posts.
It might be best to actually put it to a user vote. Or, if the mods aren't willing to budge, just let people know it's not happening and use it as an opportunity to educate as to why.
we're not a party and don't have an actual party line. no demcent, except as a bit.
The whole burning flag thing has become a really weird fixation
i don't think it's weird to have reservations about a symbol that has been associated with all jewish people being used against zionists. zionists do not represent all jewish people
If there’s a burning Russia flag there should be a burning Israeli flag. One is an actual ally to anti-imperialists and socialists, the other is a genocidal monstrosity.
The blatant hypocrisy, double standards and folding to Zionist logic is the problem. Either remove all the flags (especially Russia burning) or add the Israeli one. Otherwise it looks pathetic
It’s the fucking Israeli flag. It is not sacred, they brought it down to earth and opened it to desecration, mockery and critique when they emblazoned it on the flag of a colonial nation state. You don’t get to have it both ways, a symbol cannot be sacred and also the banner of a state, it's battle standard as it takes real material actions. Israel is the one who committed the blasphemy of trying to tie the religion of Judaism to genocidal barbarism, not us. This shows you still have internalized Zionist narratives, accepted their premises, and ultimately fold to their tone policing.
Better ban "From The River to the Sea, Palestine Will Be Free" then too while we're just caving to all bad faith Liberal tone policing and bourgeois optics. Actually, if you think about it, talking about Palestine at all makes many Jewish people uncomfortable so we should remove it from this site.
ok yeah I actually responded with that above but it seems that that's not the reason.
I'm wondering then how it would be misused as you said below? The only thing I can think of is it would be misused by antisemites, but that sort of feels like we're equating Judaism and Israel, which is something we are explicitly trying not to do. What is burning is pretty clearly the flag itself which represents Israel and not Judaism.
It just feels like it makes more sense to have a burning Israeli flag than a burning Philippines flag. Would rather a settler colony burn than a neocolonial victim of US imperialism with an ongoing communist insurgency (although I don't actually know their relation to the flag).
that is precisely the reason. As leftists we have to tread on eggshells because every excuse to accuse us IS going to be used against us.
ok, well I'm not sure I totally agree, I've already been called an antisemite and a Jew-hater for merely opposing Palestinian genocide, even when presenting my position in terms a liberal can understand. I'm not sure how much more damage a burning Israeli flag can do to our image, and at least it would be in line with our values. However, I will accept the Hexbear party line and lay off it.
Democratic centralism. we don't have to agree. I don't, but its the party position.
Honest question: was this decided democratically? How was it facilitated?
we didn't have a vote if that's what you're asking. but if users really really want a burning star of david which the woman who does 90% of our emojis has very justifiably voiced hesitance about, they can. if they do it themselves and overcome the rest of us who support whyesseff's decision about it.
Ah, when GinAndJuche said it was the party line, I thought the mods might have officially released something on the topic. We're not really talking about demcent in this context, then.
The whole burning flag thing has become a really weird fixation, and I've seen it on a lot of posts.
It might be best to actually put it to a user vote. Or, if the mods aren't willing to budge, just let people know it's not happening and use it as an opportunity to educate as to why.
we're not a party and don't have an actual party line. no demcent, except as a bit.
i don't think it's weird to have reservations about a symbol that has been associated with all jewish people being used against zionists. zionists do not represent all jewish people
No, I think the weird part is that some people think it's super important to have an Israel flag burning emoji
oh hell yeah lmao. friendly fire.
If there’s a burning Russia flag there should be a burning Israeli flag. One is an actual ally to anti-imperialists and socialists, the other is a genocidal monstrosity.
The blatant hypocrisy, double standards and folding to Zionist logic is the problem. Either remove all the flags (especially Russia burning) or add the Israeli one. Otherwise it looks pathetic
It’s the fucking Israeli flag. It is not sacred, they brought it down to earth and opened it to desecration, mockery and critique when they emblazoned it on the flag of a colonial nation state. You don’t get to have it both ways, a symbol cannot be sacred and also the banner of a state, it's battle standard as it takes real material actions. Israel is the one who committed the blasphemy of trying to tie the religion of Judaism to genocidal barbarism, not us. This shows you still have internalized Zionist narratives, accepted their premises, and ultimately fold to their tone policing.
Some mod and not any democratic means lmao
Democratic centralism requires democracy. This place ain’t a democracy so I hold no obligation to follow mod edicts
Better ban "From The River to the Sea, Palestine Will Be Free" then too while we're just caving to all bad faith Liberal tone policing and bourgeois optics. Actually, if you think about it, talking about Palestine at all makes many Jewish people uncomfortable so we should remove it from this site.