Shot:

they are a legitimate threat to freedom and to anti-authoritarian leftists,

Chaser:

we shouldn't allow these people to exist in the internet free

https://old.reddit.com/r/tankiejerk/comments/197l9ik/tankie_is_not_offensive_anymore/

  • Awoo [she/her]
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    5 months ago

    I agree with all of this but I'm not quite sure what to do with it. I suppose it complicates naming and describing it. Perhaps description of it needs to be broken down into a simplified version and then fully-explored in detail afterwards? I'm not sure as I'm quite tired now.

    I think your main point seems to be that they're preying on pre-loaded information in a way that compacts several different pre-loaded pieces of information that a person has already accepted into a larger thing that then becomes larger than the sum of parts. For example a "tankie" could be broken down into several pieces (authoritarian + marxist-leninist + supports bad country + Etc) where the person falling for the "tankie" thought-terminator is expected to have already fallen for each individual component of the overall sum that makes up "tankie". When someone has fallen for all the components already you can then combine them together along with ML and associate them to take your existing propaganda and elevate it to a level that is greater than the various parts.

    Another factor here is that by giving someone a name, you define a group. If tankies are bad then there also must be an opposing good. The person joins the group of opposing good and all the values of the opposing "good" then become soaked up. You don't even have to name the opposing side, simply naming the "tankie" is enough for everyone defining themselves as not-tankie to fall into the opposition group. If this opposition group includes nazis, the values of nazis get soaked up by members of the group in small ways.

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      Yeah, I'm with you on all of this and think your application of what I tried to communicate is much more useful information

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        5 months ago

        I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to actioning this though it's a pretty new idea for me. Orgs that created new language for other things would have better ideas/experience. Lgbt orgs invented tonnes of new language for example.

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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          5 months ago

          I was thinking about this and it occurred to me that, besides "buzzword", a term that people use that seems to specifically line up with what you've talked about is "scare word", a term that is annoying to research for obvious reasons, but we can find an attestation of its use to describe political rhetoric here and there.

          A few more:

          https://www.npr.org/2019/04/24/716728643/socialism-isn-t-the-scare-word-it-once-was

          https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/truman-socialism-scare-word/

          Hope this helps. I also saw "scare term" and "devil word" referenced in a pop-linguistics article.

          • Awoo [she/her]
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            5 months ago

            I am almost certain that there is some extremely niche writing about this but that it uses terminology we're not aware of so finding it is fucking impossible.

            These are good leads though. Gonna spend a couple weeks churning this over and digging around. Something is gonna pop out.