People here will dismiss all post-soviet communist parties as "nostalgic boomers" but then tell us to join CPUSA lmao. Why is it OK for us to have imperfect revisionist parties we need to whip into shape, but not for other nations to? Why is the pro-DNC revisionism more acceptable than the pro-Putin revisionism when the DNC is actually a more fascist, genocidal, neoliberal and imperialist body than Putin's administration?
Russian politics were literally cursed by a witch. If you talk about them you will wither away to a tiny locust by the age of 80 and die from being vored by a crow.
Just seems like the "russia bad" veneer is very effective among westerners still, and everything Russian is automatically downgraded one level of "basedness" in their minds. An extremely disciplined, successful and principled communist party would be seen as mid. A mid revisionist party would be seen as evil. Whereas in the USA, the mid revisionist parties all get the benefit of the doubt and are not considered evil nazbols automatically.
Whereas in the USA, the mid revisionist parties all get the benefit of the doubt and are not considered evil nazbols automatically.
If you're still referring to the CPUSA, most people around here seem to take a pretty dim view of them, at best, so idk how much "benefit of the doubt" they're getting.
Well I'm not an actual HEXbearer so I couldn't tell you but it should be proportional to your engagement with the discourse. I advise you to talk about the Russian communists as much as possible to expedite things.
CPUSA is controlled by feds and should not be joined, but let's not pretend aesthetic communism doesn't hold its capital in Russia (if someone says China istg), though simultaneously it is also more populated by real communists than many other states and this guy specifically seems pretty decent.
We've got like one prominent poster who is CPUSA and the rules unfortunately dictate being nice to them (I forget their preferred pronouns) for some reason, but don't mistake that for anyone else liking CPUSA. Most people here seem to dislike PCUSA and it's still distinctly more credible than its forebear.
Its clearly nationalist pandering for the future election, but i have a soft spot for the return of soviet iconography so im willing to be positive
although there has been a large trend in the past few years at co-opting Stalin and other such socialist peoples for the purpose of nationalism in Russia. but due to its communist nature it could swing either way.
Oh yeah sorry I reply at a speed between 2 seconds and two months but I don't mean to harangue others, IMHO online should be turn-based like Earthbound you kno
I just hoped to provoke a discussion with the post.
Hope we all see at least this bodes well in the same way that "socialism is polling better in Amerikkka" does (/s I don't think that even bodes well for 🇺🇸 but whatever) - but this isn't like Orthodox shitposting with the Stalin and Nicolas II crested up side by side lemme get that image one sec
Baseless in what way? They're the self described continuation of Gorbachev's CPSU, which most MLs rightly criticize for a ton of reasons. They have an ossified aging leadership that refuses to bend to the more radical youth of the party and instead pushes milquetoast parliamentary "communism" to stagnant electoral results. The same social democratic dead end we've seen a hundred times already.
In that you're weren't making any of those criticisms & just writing them off as nationalists in the other reply, implying you'd prefer they eat shit anyways? I haven't seen any of those criticisms thrown out at the PSL or DSA on here, or the More Perfect Union people (who are legitimately nationalists if the slogan didn't give it away), neither of which accomplishes any electoral victories at all. Like the CPUSA they are a source of both optimism and deep consternation from me. I would like if they were more based like the Economic Freedom Fighters but South African politics is a nightmare and I'm not optimistic about Malema or Zyuganov becoming ML god emperor soon.
This kind of thing is what KRPF needs to quadruple down on if it's going to become a more successful party. We'll see.
I support every communist party simultaneously, and you can all deal with it. I am pleased with this as I am the Maoists in India executing Hindutva bastards.
I haven't seen any of those criticisms thrown out at the PSL or DSA on here, or the More Perfect Union people (who are legitimately nationalists if the slogan didn't give it away), neither of which accomplishes any electoral victories at all. Like the CPUSA they are a source of both optimism and deep consternation from me
I personally maintain similar criticisms of PSL, CPUSA, and DSA (and I guess More Perfect Union although they're not any sort of party formation as far as I know), why assume I don't?
I support every communist party simultaneously, and you can all deal with it. I am pleased with this as I am the Maoists in India executing Hindutva bastards.
I broadly support most left wing parties, but if I broadly support these things I'm more than allowed to have my critiques of them as well.
I just don't understand why a party that's more successful than any of those and actually upholds Lenin's theory of global finance imperialism unlike more than half of the other US leftist orgs I can name is more "cursed" because it is Russian, shouldn't finding success in a cursed environment be considered impressive?
DSA and PSL practically only run candidates for the appearance of legitimacy from what I've seen, but that's a whole other tangent. CPUSA's electoral success is pretty modest since like DSA I think the accusations of democrat tailism are pretty legitimate. People were talking about Cornel West as if he's going to do literally anything lol? Isn't that cursed? RFK Jr. and Marianne Williamson both have deeply fucked up backgrounds.
It's pretty clear from the conflations you're all drawing here that there is no distinction between actual NazBols and the KPRF in your mind. Why would anyone want nationalist socialists to win? If your accusations against them hold water, you shouldn't want them to find any success and poison the idea of communism more.
I'm just struggling to understand the contradictory points of view you espouse.
You're making a lot of assumptions about my views based on a small critical statement. And I have said I agree with and carry similar critiques of DSA and PSL.
I just wouldn't ever support nationalist parties I have a communist understanding of nationalism. I don't go around like rooting for or opposing Ba'ath party within Syria itself I rather hope to resolve the international siege so a better political situation may emerge with the pressure lifted.
Not to put words in your mouth - I see socialists in the USA constantly use incredibly warped talking points about how "actually we're the most democratic and freedom loving of all sir! wait where are you going??" can we agree these are far more fucked up talking points since they call back Le Epic Constitution and not Lenin and Stalin?
There is genuine enthusiasm for DEMOCRATIC PARTY POLITICS on this site lolll people unironically post Ettingermentum substacks iirc
I understand where you're coming from, but as a maoist that doesn't live in the USA (not that my country is much better) I don't think I fall into the category of who you're talking about
So you simultaneously want the KPRF to win, but also want to engage in protracted people's war against the Russian federation? WouldnMr that sap energy? Or do you think they need a split armed wing like the CPP🇵🇭?
If you say they're weirdo nationalists like Limonov the natural assumption is they should eat shit, I am actually trying to understand you. :-/
I think ultimately a militant revolutionary movement that's willing to engage in armed struggle is necessary to restore communism to Russia, but in the absence of such a movement social democratic parties serve a very limited purpose of allowing minor representation to workers in bourgeois government. I don't think it's a good idea to put time and energy towards the KPRF but I don't live in Russia and don't have any influence in their movements, so I can't exactly spit on Russian leftists that do, I can only critique what I see and read.
Gotcha that kind of Maoist take is rare in my circles. I appreciate you clarifying what you've added to the discussion. As you can probably guess I think the global military & financial dominance of the USA precludes that 😬 in the case of India I think it's more appropriate since the government wants to use neocolonialism against the population and other countries in the region and must be opposed at every step.
India doesn't oppose US militarism, the Philippines is colonized, it's open season
Kerala military coup NOW they need to seize control of the army do what the Indonesian fascists accused the communists of actually doing. Fucking hype shit
I know, I'm being mean. I'm just dismissive of how dismissive online leftists are at any communist party that actually has enough support to get into parliament, especially when their own country's communist movement isn't any better.
I have plenty of critiques of the KPRF but I'm not really interested in baseless sectarianism. Feel free to elaborate.
People here will dismiss all post-soviet communist parties as "nostalgic boomers" but then tell us to join CPUSA lmao. Why is it OK for us to have imperfect revisionist parties we need to whip into shape, but not for other nations to? Why is the pro-DNC revisionism more acceptable than the pro-Putin revisionism when the DNC is actually a more fascist, genocidal, neoliberal and imperialist body than Putin's administration?
Russian politics were literally cursed by a witch. If you talk about them you will wither away to a tiny locust by the age of 80 and die from being vored by a crow.
Just seems like the "russia bad" veneer is very effective among westerners still, and everything Russian is automatically downgraded one level of "basedness" in their minds. An extremely disciplined, successful and principled communist party would be seen as mid. A mid revisionist party would be seen as evil. Whereas in the USA, the mid revisionist parties all get the benefit of the doubt and are not considered evil nazbols automatically.
If you're still referring to the CPUSA, most people around here seem to take a pretty dim view of them, at best, so idk how much "benefit of the doubt" they're getting.
That's a pretty metal way to die; do I really have to wait until I'm 80+?
Well I'm not an actual HEXbearer so I couldn't tell you but it should be proportional to your engagement with the discourse. I advise you to talk about the Russian communists as much as possible to expedite things.
CPUSA is controlled by feds and should not be joined, but let's not pretend aesthetic communism doesn't hold its capital in Russia (if someone says China istg), though simultaneously it is also more populated by real communists than many other states and this guy specifically seems pretty decent.
We've got like one prominent poster who is CPUSA and the rules unfortunately dictate being nice to them (I forget their preferred pronouns) for some reason, but don't mistake that for anyone else liking CPUSA. Most people here seem to dislike PCUSA and it's still distinctly more credible than its forebear.
Pcusa is the least credible of the groups in the US lmao.
You are forgetting the FBI front CPUSA in that estimation
if we all join the FBI they cant stop us from making it into a communist party
Its clearly nationalist pandering for the future election, but i have a soft spot for the return of soviet iconography so im willing to be positive
although there has been a large trend in the past few years at co-opting Stalin and other such socialist peoples for the purpose of nationalism in Russia. but due to its communist nature it could swing either way.
russian politics is extremely cursed
I am once again asking for direct critique of the KPRF in my mentions.
plz no its too early in the day i don't wanna do a politics
Oh yeah sorry I reply at a speed between 2 seconds and two months but I don't mean to harangue others, IMHO online should be turn-based like Earthbound you kno
I just hoped to provoke a discussion with the post.
this is why i like forums, turn based discussion
Hope we all see at least this bodes well in the same way that "socialism is polling better in Amerikkka" does (/s I don't think that even bodes well for 🇺🇸 but whatever) - but this isn't like Orthodox shitposting with the Stalin and Nicolas II crested up side by side lemme get that image one sec
okay for how much russia politics is cursed, america's is hell on earth
god please no
I'm afraid so, even in tattoo form
ideologically poisoned, male-presenting nipples
Ok but the nipples being their buttons is kinda 🔥
Staaahp I can’t unsee it now
Baseless in what way? They're the self described continuation of Gorbachev's CPSU, which most MLs rightly criticize for a ton of reasons. They have an ossified aging leadership that refuses to bend to the more radical youth of the party and instead pushes milquetoast parliamentary "communism" to stagnant electoral results. The same social democratic dead end we've seen a hundred times already.
This is what the 2034 KPRF presidential candidate will look like. These things take time
I'll be waiting, Mecha Lenin
In that you're weren't making any of those criticisms & just writing them off as nationalists in the other reply, implying you'd prefer they eat shit anyways? I haven't seen any of those criticisms thrown out at the PSL or DSA on here, or the More Perfect Union people (who are legitimately nationalists if the slogan didn't give it away), neither of which accomplishes any electoral victories at all. Like the CPUSA they are a source of both optimism and deep consternation from me. I would like if they were more based like the Economic Freedom Fighters but South African politics is a nightmare and I'm not optimistic about Malema or Zyuganov becoming ML god emperor soon.
This kind of thing is what KRPF needs to quadruple down on if it's going to become a more successful party. We'll see.
I support every communist party simultaneously, and you can all deal with it. I am pleased with this as I am the Maoists in India executing Hindutva bastards.
This is putting words in my mouth.
I personally maintain similar criticisms of PSL, CPUSA, and DSA (and I guess More Perfect Union although they're not any sort of party formation as far as I know), why assume I don't?
I broadly support most left wing parties, but if I broadly support these things I'm more than allowed to have my critiques of them as well.
I just don't understand why a party that's more successful than any of those and actually upholds Lenin's theory of global finance imperialism unlike more than half of the other US leftist orgs I can name is more "cursed" because it is Russian, shouldn't finding success in a cursed environment be considered impressive?
DSA and PSL practically only run candidates for the appearance of legitimacy from what I've seen, but that's a whole other tangent. CPUSA's electoral success is pretty modest since like DSA I think the accusations of democrat tailism are pretty legitimate. People were talking about Cornel West as if he's going to do literally anything lol? Isn't that cursed? RFK Jr. and Marianne Williamson both have deeply fucked up backgrounds.
It's pretty clear from the conflations you're all drawing here that there is no distinction between actual NazBols and the KPRF in your mind. Why would anyone want nationalist socialists to win? If your accusations against them hold water, you shouldn't want them to find any success and poison the idea of communism more.
I'm just struggling to understand the contradictory points of view you espouse.
You're making a lot of assumptions about my views based on a small critical statement. And I have said I agree with and carry similar critiques of DSA and PSL.
I just wouldn't ever support nationalist parties I have a communist understanding of nationalism. I don't go around like rooting for or opposing Ba'ath party within Syria itself I rather hope to resolve the international siege so a better political situation may emerge with the pressure lifted.
Not to put words in your mouth - I see socialists in the USA constantly use incredibly warped talking points about how "actually we're the most democratic and freedom loving of all sir! wait where are you going??" can we agree these are far more fucked up talking points since they call back Le Epic Constitution and not Lenin and Stalin?
There is genuine enthusiasm for DEMOCRATIC PARTY POLITICS on this site lolll people unironically post Ettingermentum substacks iirc
A bit late for that 😕
I understand where you're coming from, but as a maoist that doesn't live in the USA (not that my country is much better) I don't think I fall into the category of who you're talking about
So you simultaneously want the KPRF to win, but also want to engage in protracted people's war against the Russian federation? WouldnMr that sap energy? Or do you think they need a split armed wing like the CPP🇵🇭?
If you say they're weirdo nationalists like Limonov the natural assumption is they should eat shit, I am actually trying to understand you. :-/
I think ultimately a militant revolutionary movement that's willing to engage in armed struggle is necessary to restore communism to Russia, but in the absence of such a movement social democratic parties serve a very limited purpose of allowing minor representation to workers in bourgeois government. I don't think it's a good idea to put time and energy towards the KPRF but I don't live in Russia and don't have any influence in their movements, so I can't exactly spit on Russian leftists that do, I can only critique what I see and read.
Gotcha that kind of Maoist take is rare in my circles. I appreciate you clarifying what you've added to the discussion. As you can probably guess I think the global military & financial dominance of the USA precludes that 😬 in the case of India I think it's more appropriate since the government wants to use neocolonialism against the population and other countries in the region and must be opposed at every step.
India doesn't oppose US militarism, the Philippines is colonized, it's open season
Kerala military coup NOW they need to seize control of the army do what the Indonesian fascists accused the communists of actually doing. Fucking hype shit
I agree they should instead do nothing
That seems better, since both KPRF winning and losing is bad. I hadn't considered that.
To quote a poster who will not be named, PROTRACTED PEOPLE'S WAR AGAINST THE RUZZIAN FEDERATION!!!
EDIT: I was asked to clarify whether this is about lakewater, it isn't. I was just thinking wistfully of a lost poster. My apolocheese
Not what I'm saying at all???
I know, I'm being mean. I'm just dismissive of how dismissive online leftists are at any communist party that actually has enough support to get into parliament, especially when their own country's communist movement isn't any better.
Americans can only dream of a KPRF
Exactly, if we had a KPRF it would be as gay as we like. (I'm kidding btw the geopolitics matter you can't just transplant it.)