now bring back the soviet government and economy
do it right now
come on you'd own the libs so hard
I suspect this guy is another post-East Bloc boomer who's nostalgic for the USSR more out of nationalist pride than genuine socialism, but the fact he said Leningrad instead of Stalingrad gives me mild hope. Weirdo Russian NatBols trend to be pure Stalin Stans while repeating that "Lenin was a German spy" BS.
Everything I don’t like is Nazbol
Could they simply be boring revisionist Soviets akin to Khrushchev (still a huge upgrade from any Liberal party)? No, they are secret Nazis!
Let's be fair here, dudes with Stalin and Nicholas II tattoos side-by-side are fair to seriously suspect of having an ideology that would boil down to NazBolism, since they are worshiping a guy falsely accused of doing anti-semitic pogroms and also a guy who actually did them.
What if the Nicholas tat is him looking like swiss cheese and a lot of ketchup?
That's just a tattoo from a random dude, I was trying to be lighthearted, but it seems the connection of "Russian communists are all Nazis" is really strong to people?
NazBols and Nazis aren't quite the same, I knew about that image before seeing that you attached it in the thread, and I'm not saying "All Russian communists" (in fact, I specifically note there are many real Russian communists), just that Russia is the #1 place to be a fan of Stalin and not a communist. There are communist Stalin fans, and in fact I believe this guy is one, but there are also reactionary, vibes-based Stalin fans.
Gotcha my bad just making sure you didn't think I was implying the candidate in question had that tattoo 😄
Krushchev and Revisionists Co. famously Stalin stans
I swear it's not Limonov bro you have to hit this it's a different strain
This guy ran for president back in 2004. Twenty fucking years ago. Jesus Christ can the KPRF please stop recycling the same two old dudes and put some young, exciting and revolutionary candidates out there???
Being young hot and Stalin >>>>>>>>>> renaming it Stalingrad tbqhbbq
Afonin and Parfenov seem pretty decent, according to the Russkies, but this one is a suicide mission. Everyone knows it, The most they can hope to get out of this election is to push Putin towards a more nationalized economy away from liberalism.
The most they can hope to get out of this election is to push Putin towards a more nationalized economy away from liberalism.
We must push Putin left
Critical support for Arthur Zimmerman for pushing Woodrow Wilson to the left
Oh hey it's the guy who wants to overthrow the government of Eritrea (one of the only times the nation has ever been mentioned on the site other than me posting Shabait dot com)
Writing Chomsky to convince him to become a 🗳️💙🌊 blue wave guy but for taking out Putin instead of Trump, mere seconds before 🧙♂️he dies.🪦
all the young russian communists are far too based and lgbt accepting, gotta keep the crusty guys going
As much as it disgusts me, I blame NATOids attempting to use my lust for cock as a weapon. Nobody can actually stop anime online LGBT brainwashing, they can only delay this. W̷͎͆̄̐͊e̶̛̩͓̙̟̊̑̂̓ ̴̯̫̫͐̾̊͊̂͂̾̑͌̎̕̕͝a̶̢̨̯̫̲̲̮̖̬͚̙̖͛͂̄͂̋̂̚͘̕͝͝ŗ̴͙͈͈̺̜̣̥̺̹͉͆̎́̂͛̀̄͊̓̂̌̆̀̍͐̕ę̷̢̰̯͓͙̦̟͎̮̫̦̭̭̲͖̀͌̔͊ ̶͓̽̈́ĭ̶̛͔̃̌͂͛̍̇̂̊̓͑̈ń̸̻̹̰͓͈̩̰͍͔̳͚̊̊͛̋̾͝ͅe̵̢̫̝͖͇̤̓̌̏͌̽͗͗̓̊̈́̆͌̀́x̷̣̻̎ǒ̷̡̻̘̖̝̥͙͈̰͔͇͚̻̱̘̝̂ͅr̴̛̩̽͆̔̀̃̃̊̌͐̂̊̆͘ä̶̛͍̹̩̖́͌̉̉̈́͌͂̈́͘b̴͓͙͍̘̮͈͇̹̫̥́͛̆͐̉̌̇̍̀̇͗͊̌̃͘ͅl̶͎͍̈́̃͂͋͆́̎͘̕͝ę̸͚̥̜̟̲̺̰̌̑̈́.̷̛̘̘͎̥̳̼̘̩͔̗̻̀̈́̿̍ͅ
I was surprised to learn the other day that Stalingrad was renamed under
. What a loser goddamn.His whole fucking career as head honcho was just sabotaging the legacy of Stalin and doing revisionism. The good military moves were secondary.
Read "Khrushev lied", like the entire secret speech was a lie including some straight up in their face lies which people listening to know has been lies because some of them been there and witnessed, like the ones about Beria or Sergo or Yezhov, but he prepared everything just like he accused Stalin of doing and purged entire opposition.
Oh joy, the revisionists are co-opting communist iconography for nationalist nostalgia
Yo this is the party of Lenin we’re talking about here. It’s also the most powerful communist party in today’s Europe, holding a double digit percentage of seats in the duma of Europe’s most populous country. I wish them well in the upcoming elections.
It's also the party of Khrushchev and Gorbachev, Zyuganov is not exactly Stalin.
I’ll take the party of Khrushchev over literally any social democratic or liberal party ever
If nothing else, Putin getting removed from power by a Communist, revisionist or otherwise, would be hella funny
the new KPRF has a very pro stalin outlook, but you are correct that they need to be more radical
That's my issue, as a party you can say you follow Stalin but if you're not backing it up that's a problem!
Hey, this is the dude who said the farm collectivizing was good and Russia should have more collectivized farms, isn't he? Stalin that does not make him, but it's more substantially socialist than just worshiping mighty mustache man without appreciating the socialist parts at all.
Apparently they don't want them to win because they're a political dead end
Arguably, the "Party of Lenin" is the RCWP, since that's the remnants of the hardliners that tried the coup in 91. They're a bit ultra but surprisingly youthful and progressive for a Party that came out of defeated military hardliners. Nevertheless (extremely) critical support to the KPRF.
I have plenty of critiques of the KPRF but I'm not really interested in baseless sectarianism. Feel free to elaborate.
People here will dismiss all post-soviet communist parties as "nostalgic boomers" but then tell us to join CPUSA lmao. Why is it OK for us to have imperfect revisionist parties we need to whip into shape, but not for other nations to? Why is the pro-DNC revisionism more acceptable than the pro-Putin revisionism when the DNC is actually a more fascist, genocidal, neoliberal and imperialist body than Putin's administration?
Russian politics were literally cursed by a witch. If you talk about them you will wither away to a tiny locust by the age of 80 and die from being vored by a crow.
Just seems like the "russia bad" veneer is very effective among westerners still, and everything Russian is automatically downgraded one level of "basedness" in their minds. An extremely disciplined, successful and principled communist party would be seen as mid. A mid revisionist party would be seen as evil. Whereas in the USA, the mid revisionist parties all get the benefit of the doubt and are not considered evil nazbols automatically.
Whereas in the USA, the mid revisionist parties all get the benefit of the doubt and are not considered evil nazbols automatically.
If you're still referring to the CPUSA, most people around here seem to take a pretty dim view of them, at best, so idk how much "benefit of the doubt" they're getting.
That's a pretty metal way to die; do I really have to wait until I'm 80+?
Well I'm not an actual HEXbearer so I couldn't tell you but it should be proportional to your engagement with the discourse. I advise you to talk about the Russian communists as much as possible to expedite things.
CPUSA is controlled by feds and should not be joined, but let's not pretend aesthetic communism doesn't hold its capital in Russia (if someone says China istg), though simultaneously it is also more populated by real communists than many other states and this guy specifically seems pretty decent.
We've got like one prominent poster who is CPUSA and the rules unfortunately dictate being nice to them (I forget their preferred pronouns) for some reason, but don't mistake that for anyone else liking CPUSA. Most people here seem to dislike PCUSA and it's still distinctly more credible than its forebear.
if we all join the FBI they cant stop us from making it into a communist party
Its clearly nationalist pandering for the future election, but i have a soft spot for the return of soviet iconography so im willing to be positive
although there has been a large trend in the past few years at co-opting Stalin and other such socialist peoples for the purpose of nationalism in Russia. but due to its communist nature it could swing either way.
russian politics is extremely cursed
I am once again asking for direct critique of the KPRF in my mentions.
plz no its too early in the day i don't wanna do a politics
Oh yeah sorry I reply at a speed between 2 seconds and two months but I don't mean to harangue others, IMHO online should be turn-based like Earthbound you kno
I just hoped to provoke a discussion with the post.
Hope we all see at least this bodes well in the same way that "socialism is polling better in Amerikkka" does (/s I don't think that even bodes well for 🇺🇸 but whatever) - but this isn't like Orthodox shitposting with the Stalin and Nicolas II crested up side by side lemme get that image one sec
This is more of a joke than anything: hope we all see at least this bodes well in the same way that "socialism is polling better in Amerikkka" does
okay for how much russia politics is cursed, america's is hell on earth
but this isn't like Orthodox shitposting with the Stalin and Nicolas II crested up side by side lemme get that image one sec
god please no
I'm afraid so, even in tattoo form
ideologically poisoned, male-presenting nipples
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Baseless in what way? They're the self described continuation of Gorbachev's CPSU, which most MLs rightly criticize for a ton of reasons. They have an ossified aging leadership that refuses to bend to the more radical youth of the party and instead pushes milquetoast parliamentary "communism" to stagnant electoral results. The same social democratic dead end we've seen a hundred times already.
This is what the 2034 KPRF presidential candidate will look like. These things take time
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In that you're weren't making any of those criticisms & just writing them off as nationalists in the other reply, implying you'd prefer they eat shit anyways? I haven't seen any of those criticisms thrown out at the PSL or DSA on here, or the More Perfect Union people (who are legitimately nationalists if the slogan didn't give it away), neither of which accomplishes any electoral victories at all. Like the CPUSA they are a source of both optimism and deep consternation from me. I would like if they were more based like the Economic Freedom Fighters but South African politics is a nightmare and I'm not optimistic about Malema or Zyuganov becoming ML god emperor soon.
This kind of thing is what KRPF needs to quadruple down on if it's going to become a more successful party. We'll see.
I support every communist party simultaneously, and you can all deal with it. I am pleased with this as I am the Maoists in India executing Hindutva bastards.
implying you'd prefer they eat shit anyways
This is putting words in my mouth.
I haven't seen any of those criticisms thrown out at the PSL or DSA on here, or the More Perfect Union people (who are legitimately nationalists if the slogan didn't give it away), neither of which accomplishes any electoral victories at all. Like the CPUSA they are a source of both optimism and deep consternation from me
I personally maintain similar criticisms of PSL, CPUSA, and DSA (and I guess More Perfect Union although they're not any sort of party formation as far as I know), why assume I don't?
I support every communist party simultaneously, and you can all deal with it. I am pleased with this as I am the Maoists in India executing Hindutva bastards.
I broadly support most left wing parties, but if I broadly support these things I'm more than allowed to have my critiques of them as well.
I just don't understand why a party that's more successful than any of those and actually upholds Lenin's theory of global finance imperialism unlike more than half of the other US leftist orgs I can name is more "cursed" because it is Russian, shouldn't finding success in a cursed environment be considered impressive?
DSA and PSL practically only run candidates for the appearance of legitimacy from what I've seen, but that's a whole other tangent. CPUSA's electoral success is pretty modest since like DSA I think the accusations of democrat tailism are pretty legitimate. People were talking about Cornel West as if he's going to do literally anything lol? Isn't that cursed? RFK Jr. and Marianne Williamson both have deeply fucked up backgrounds.
It's pretty clear from the conflations you're all drawing here that there is no distinction between actual NazBols and the KPRF in your mind. Why would anyone want nationalist socialists to win? If your accusations against them hold water, you shouldn't want them to find any success and poison the idea of communism more.
I'm just struggling to understand the contradictory points of view you espouse.
You're making a lot of assumptions about my views based on a small critical statement. And I have said I agree with and carry similar critiques of DSA and PSL.
I just wouldn't ever support nationalist parties I have a communist understanding of nationalism. I don't go around like rooting for or opposing Ba'ath party within Syria itself I rather hope to resolve the international siege so a better political situation may emerge with the pressure lifted.
Not to put words in your mouth - I see socialists in the USA constantly use incredibly warped talking points about how "actually we're the most democratic and freedom loving of all sir! wait where are you going??" can we agree these are far more fucked up talking points since they call back Le Epic Constitution and not Lenin and Stalin?
There is genuine enthusiasm for DEMOCRATIC PARTY POLITICS on this site lolll people unironically post Ettingermentum substacks iirc
Not to put words in your mouth
A bit late for that 😕
I understand where you're coming from, but as a maoist that doesn't live in the USA (not that my country is much better) I don't think I fall into the category of who you're talking about
So you simultaneously want the KPRF to win, but also want to engage in protracted people's war against the Russian federation? WouldnMr that sap energy? Or do you think they need a split armed wing like the CPP🇵🇭?
If you say they're weirdo nationalists like Limonov the natural assumption is they should eat shit, I am actually trying to understand you. :-/
That seems better, since both KPRF winning and losing is bad. I hadn't considered that.
To quote a poster who will not be named, PROTRACTED PEOPLE'S WAR AGAINST THE RUZZIAN FEDERATION!!!
EDIT: I was asked to clarify whether this is about lakewater, it isn't. I was just thinking wistfully of a lost poster. My apolocheese
I know, I'm being mean. I'm just dismissive of how dismissive online leftists are at any communist party that actually has enough support to get into parliament, especially when their own country's communist movement isn't any better.
Americans can only dream of a KPRF
Exactly, if we had a KPRF it would be as gay as we like. (I'm kidding btw the geopolitics matter you can't just transplant it.)
From the very little I’ve heard about this guy, I’m already liking him a lot more then Gennady Andreevich.
This will most likely be as (un)successful as the KPRF's attempt to readopt the Soviet flag as the national flag. Don't get your hopes up, they are not going to restore the Soviet Union by slowly "voting in" communist symbolism.
they get like 20% popular vote 10% seats and yeah the presidential race is not happening but this shit is hype.
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In the sense that this is happening while an offensive on Russia is being reversed? I'm extremely pedantic about the uncle/nephew framework of historical materialism so I gotta pester ya 😩😫😩 no debasing nephewnomics
No, in the sense that there was the tragedy of the actual battle and the farce of the battle about the name
