Baseless in what way? They're the self described continuation of Gorbachev's CPSU, which most MLs rightly criticize for a ton of reasons. They have an ossified aging leadership that refuses to bend to the more radical youth of the party and instead pushes milquetoast parliamentary "communism" to stagnant electoral results. The same social democratic dead end we've seen a hundred times already.
In that you're weren't making any of those criticisms & just writing them off as nationalists in the other reply, implying you'd prefer they eat shit anyways? I haven't seen any of those criticisms thrown out at the PSL or DSA on here, or the More Perfect Union people (who are legitimately nationalists if the slogan didn't give it away), neither of which accomplishes any electoral victories at all. Like the CPUSA they are a source of both optimism and deep consternation from me. I would like if they were more based like the Economic Freedom Fighters but South African politics is a nightmare and I'm not optimistic about Malema or Zyuganov becoming ML god emperor soon.
This kind of thing is what KRPF needs to quadruple down on if it's going to become a more successful party. We'll see.
I support every communist party simultaneously, and you can all deal with it. I am pleased with this as I am the Maoists in India executing Hindutva bastards.
I haven't seen any of those criticisms thrown out at the PSL or DSA on here, or the More Perfect Union people (who are legitimately nationalists if the slogan didn't give it away), neither of which accomplishes any electoral victories at all. Like the CPUSA they are a source of both optimism and deep consternation from me
I personally maintain similar criticisms of PSL, CPUSA, and DSA (and I guess More Perfect Union although they're not any sort of party formation as far as I know), why assume I don't?
I support every communist party simultaneously, and you can all deal with it. I am pleased with this as I am the Maoists in India executing Hindutva bastards.
I broadly support most left wing parties, but if I broadly support these things I'm more than allowed to have my critiques of them as well.
I just don't understand why a party that's more successful than any of those and actually upholds Lenin's theory of global finance imperialism unlike more than half of the other US leftist orgs I can name is more "cursed" because it is Russian, shouldn't finding success in a cursed environment be considered impressive?
DSA and PSL practically only run candidates for the appearance of legitimacy from what I've seen, but that's a whole other tangent. CPUSA's electoral success is pretty modest since like DSA I think the accusations of democrat tailism are pretty legitimate. People were talking about Cornel West as if he's going to do literally anything lol? Isn't that cursed? RFK Jr. and Marianne Williamson both have deeply fucked up backgrounds.
It's pretty clear from the conflations you're all drawing here that there is no distinction between actual NazBols and the KPRF in your mind. Why would anyone want nationalist socialists to win? If your accusations against them hold water, you shouldn't want them to find any success and poison the idea of communism more.
I'm just struggling to understand the contradictory points of view you espouse.
You're making a lot of assumptions about my views based on a small critical statement. And I have said I agree with and carry similar critiques of DSA and PSL.
I just wouldn't ever support nationalist parties I have a communist understanding of nationalism. I don't go around like rooting for or opposing Ba'ath party within Syria itself I rather hope to resolve the international siege so a better political situation may emerge with the pressure lifted.
Not to put words in your mouth - I see socialists in the USA constantly use incredibly warped talking points about how "actually we're the most democratic and freedom loving of all sir! wait where are you going??" can we agree these are far more fucked up talking points since they call back Le Epic Constitution and not Lenin and Stalin?
There is genuine enthusiasm for DEMOCRATIC PARTY POLITICS on this site lolll people unironically post Ettingermentum substacks iirc
I understand where you're coming from, but as a maoist that doesn't live in the USA (not that my country is much better) I don't think I fall into the category of who you're talking about
So you simultaneously want the KPRF to win, but also want to engage in protracted people's war against the Russian federation? WouldnMr that sap energy? Or do you think they need a split armed wing like the CPP🇵🇭?
If you say they're weirdo nationalists like Limonov the natural assumption is they should eat shit, I am actually trying to understand you. :-/
I think ultimately a militant revolutionary movement that's willing to engage in armed struggle is necessary to restore communism to Russia, but in the absence of such a movement social democratic parties serve a very limited purpose of allowing minor representation to workers in bourgeois government. I don't think it's a good idea to put time and energy towards the KPRF but I don't live in Russia and don't have any influence in their movements, so I can't exactly spit on Russian leftists that do, I can only critique what I see and read.
Gotcha that kind of Maoist take is rare in my circles. I appreciate you clarifying what you've added to the discussion. As you can probably guess I think the global military & financial dominance of the USA precludes that 😬 in the case of India I think it's more appropriate since the government wants to use neocolonialism against the population and other countries in the region and must be opposed at every step.
India doesn't oppose US militarism, the Philippines is colonized, it's open season
Kerala military coup NOW they need to seize control of the army do what the Indonesian fascists accused the communists of actually doing. Fucking hype shit
If you appreciate it, I would appreciate you deleting your derogatory comment about me, unless there's another maoist in the thread you're vagueposting about
I know, I'm being mean. I'm just dismissive of how dismissive online leftists are at any communist party that actually has enough support to get into parliament, especially when their own country's communist movement isn't any better.
Baseless in what way? They're the self described continuation of Gorbachev's CPSU, which most MLs rightly criticize for a ton of reasons. They have an ossified aging leadership that refuses to bend to the more radical youth of the party and instead pushes milquetoast parliamentary "communism" to stagnant electoral results. The same social democratic dead end we've seen a hundred times already.
This is what the 2034 KPRF presidential candidate will look like. These things take time
I'll be waiting, Mecha Lenin
In that you're weren't making any of those criticisms & just writing them off as nationalists in the other reply, implying you'd prefer they eat shit anyways? I haven't seen any of those criticisms thrown out at the PSL or DSA on here, or the More Perfect Union people (who are legitimately nationalists if the slogan didn't give it away), neither of which accomplishes any electoral victories at all. Like the CPUSA they are a source of both optimism and deep consternation from me. I would like if they were more based like the Economic Freedom Fighters but South African politics is a nightmare and I'm not optimistic about Malema or Zyuganov becoming ML god emperor soon.
This kind of thing is what KRPF needs to quadruple down on if it's going to become a more successful party. We'll see.
I support every communist party simultaneously, and you can all deal with it. I am pleased with this as I am the Maoists in India executing Hindutva bastards.
This is putting words in my mouth.
I personally maintain similar criticisms of PSL, CPUSA, and DSA (and I guess More Perfect Union although they're not any sort of party formation as far as I know), why assume I don't?
I broadly support most left wing parties, but if I broadly support these things I'm more than allowed to have my critiques of them as well.
I just don't understand why a party that's more successful than any of those and actually upholds Lenin's theory of global finance imperialism unlike more than half of the other US leftist orgs I can name is more "cursed" because it is Russian, shouldn't finding success in a cursed environment be considered impressive?
DSA and PSL practically only run candidates for the appearance of legitimacy from what I've seen, but that's a whole other tangent. CPUSA's electoral success is pretty modest since like DSA I think the accusations of democrat tailism are pretty legitimate. People were talking about Cornel West as if he's going to do literally anything lol? Isn't that cursed? RFK Jr. and Marianne Williamson both have deeply fucked up backgrounds.
It's pretty clear from the conflations you're all drawing here that there is no distinction between actual NazBols and the KPRF in your mind. Why would anyone want nationalist socialists to win? If your accusations against them hold water, you shouldn't want them to find any success and poison the idea of communism more.
I'm just struggling to understand the contradictory points of view you espouse.
You're making a lot of assumptions about my views based on a small critical statement. And I have said I agree with and carry similar critiques of DSA and PSL.
I just wouldn't ever support nationalist parties I have a communist understanding of nationalism. I don't go around like rooting for or opposing Ba'ath party within Syria itself I rather hope to resolve the international siege so a better political situation may emerge with the pressure lifted.
Not to put words in your mouth - I see socialists in the USA constantly use incredibly warped talking points about how "actually we're the most democratic and freedom loving of all sir! wait where are you going??" can we agree these are far more fucked up talking points since they call back Le Epic Constitution and not Lenin and Stalin?
There is genuine enthusiasm for DEMOCRATIC PARTY POLITICS on this site lolll people unironically post Ettingermentum substacks iirc
A bit late for that 😕
I understand where you're coming from, but as a maoist that doesn't live in the USA (not that my country is much better) I don't think I fall into the category of who you're talking about
So you simultaneously want the KPRF to win, but also want to engage in protracted people's war against the Russian federation? WouldnMr that sap energy? Or do you think they need a split armed wing like the CPP🇵🇭?
If you say they're weirdo nationalists like Limonov the natural assumption is they should eat shit, I am actually trying to understand you. :-/
I think ultimately a militant revolutionary movement that's willing to engage in armed struggle is necessary to restore communism to Russia, but in the absence of such a movement social democratic parties serve a very limited purpose of allowing minor representation to workers in bourgeois government. I don't think it's a good idea to put time and energy towards the KPRF but I don't live in Russia and don't have any influence in their movements, so I can't exactly spit on Russian leftists that do, I can only critique what I see and read.
Gotcha that kind of Maoist take is rare in my circles. I appreciate you clarifying what you've added to the discussion. As you can probably guess I think the global military & financial dominance of the USA precludes that 😬 in the case of India I think it's more appropriate since the government wants to use neocolonialism against the population and other countries in the region and must be opposed at every step.
India doesn't oppose US militarism, the Philippines is colonized, it's open season
Kerala military coup NOW they need to seize control of the army do what the Indonesian fascists accused the communists of actually doing. Fucking hype shit
If you appreciate it, I would appreciate you deleting your derogatory comment about me, unless there's another maoist in the thread you're vagueposting about
I agree they should instead do nothing
That seems better, since both KPRF winning and losing is bad. I hadn't considered that.
To quote a poster who will not be named, PROTRACTED PEOPLE'S WAR AGAINST THE RUZZIAN FEDERATION!!!
EDIT: I was asked to clarify whether this is about lakewater, it isn't. I was just thinking wistfully of a lost poster. My apolocheese
Not what I'm saying at all???
I know, I'm being mean. I'm just dismissive of how dismissive online leftists are at any communist party that actually has enough support to get into parliament, especially when their own country's communist movement isn't any better.
Americans can only dream of a KPRF
Exactly, if we had a KPRF it would be as gay as we like. (I'm kidding btw the geopolitics matter you can't just transplant it.)