they think the Co-Prosperity Sphere was Japan’s attempt to stop Trans Satanic cults from spreading across the Pacific, and OOP loves Imperial Japan.

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    9 months ago

    They were extremely Catholic, which is how they got so much support from foreigners in Western organizations and governments.

    Absent that, yeah, the KMT would have been paste very early on. But they were inundated with guns and money for much of the 1930s and 40s

    • oregoncom [he/him]
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      9 months ago

      I think you're getting them confused with South Vietnam. The only leading figure who was unquestionably Christian was Chiang Kai Shek's wife. On the other hand you have the Muslim Ma Clique, who towards the end was the last KMT holdout.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuomintang_Islamic_insurgency

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        9 months ago

        https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781403919755_9

        Our greatest hope is to make the Bible and Christian education, as we have known it, the means of conveying to our countrymen what blessings may be in the way of just laws

        ~ Sun Yat-Sen, the founder of the Koumintang, during a speaking event in San Francisco in 1911

        • oregoncom [he/him]
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          9 months ago

          Sun Yat-sen’s Christianity has been a subject of some controversy; it has been argued that Sun was not really a Christian but portrayed himself as such for political reasons.

          If he had said that in Chinese to a Chinese audience then he would've been hanged and China would be run by Yuan Shikai III or something right now.

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            9 months ago

            China has a Christian population of around 23M even now. Taiwan has another million. And missionaries had been plying their trade, particularly in the coastal cities, for centuries prior. Famously so, as Christian theology sparked the Tiaping Rebellion of the 1850s. You're not going to get hanged for this in China. But then this is in a country where one could viably call oneself a Confucian and a Christian without significant cognitive dissonance.

            • oregoncom [he/him]
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              9 months ago

              1.6% of the population

              I was regretably one of them. Christianity was rightfully despised as a tool of control for colonial drug cartels. Sun Yat Sen's own brother was disgusted by him being baptized. Being sort of but not really religious has always been common in China. Openly claiming that he wanted to Christianize China would trigger revulsion from the vast majority of the population even in the modern day, let alone the 1900s.

              call oneself a Confucian and a Christian

              Confucianism is not a religion.

                • oregoncom [he/him]
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                  9 months ago

                  How much opium did you peddle as a Chinese Christian?

                  Fuck off debate pervert. I'm not interested in whatever half assed attempt at a comeback this is.

                  When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. Desmond Tutu

                  Christianity's main purpose being the justification of western colonial control isn't exactly some obscure lore.

                  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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                    9 months ago

                    Fuck off debate pervert.

                    My guy, you want to come in here and pretend Christianity = Drug Dealer, then get offended when I ask the price of a dime bag?

                    Who is the debate bro?

                    Again, go back and revisit the Taiping Rebellion.

                    Christianity's main purpose being the justification of western colonial control isn't exactly some obscure lore.

                    Christianity's main purpose is to coup with mortality.

                    • oregoncom [he/him]
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                      9 months ago

                      My guy, you want to come in here and pretend Christianity = Drug Dealer,

                      What are the Opium wars? Christianity in that era was spread directly as a consequence of concessions from the Opium wars. The goal of Christian missionaries, as is all other places, is to pacify the local population, surpress local culture and justify continued colonial occupation, and in extreme cases slavery and extermination. In the lead up to the Boxer Rebellion Christian missionaries were granted extralegality and went so far as to go on serial rapes unpunished, and that's just the stuff natopedia admits to. This same religion continues to commit systemic abuse of children with its priests. This is the legacy of Christianity throughout the world and your half-assed attempts at comebacks won't change anything.

                      Again, go back and revisit the Taiping Rebellion.

                      Go back and revisit the Boxer Rebellion.

                      Roberts refused to baptize him and later stated that Hong's followers were "bent on making their burlesque religious pretensions serve their political purpose"

                      Geez, I wonder why any version of Christianity that doesn't prostrate itself to the west (Taiping, Unification Church) is immediately labeled a cult and rejected from Christianity. Not Mormons though, Joseph Smith worshipers get to be Christian because Smith is white.