Had a very meh Valtentine's Day. Not that I want to put too much weight on it, but considering how dead my love life is, the last time I dated was about 5 years ago, I can't help feel the desire to be with someone on a day that's just all about that.
Besides that I don't know that I'd call it a debate, but the cleaning lady at my job was asking me who I'm voting for in the presidential elections and I said no one. She kept telling me to vote for Trump so that he can resolve the "migrant crisis" and I said, he's not really going to resolve anything, especially not for us [workers]. Then she hit me with the "this is an important election" to which I replied, "yeah, we're told every election is the most important of our lives". I kept it light-hearted with my over the top quirky voice, but inside I was kind of pissed. I'm tired of hearing libs and conservatives blame migrants for problems that have been present forever.
Nah, she's also a POC. I think the biggest issue is just that so many people come to the US buying into the bootstraps mentality that they feel like anyone who comes here and struggles is just sapping resources from everyone else.
It's especially prevalent with immigrants who come here by legal means. They think that the government is welcoming in illegal migrants with open arms even though that isn't true. It doesn't help that the media constantly bangs on about the migrant crisis and covers it in a way that makes most people who aren't critical of the media they consume think that their enemy are migrants rather than the ruling class.
I doubt it lol. She's dabbled with being a landlord in the past and she's still given thought of buying cheap property out of state to rent out. She's also part of a union, but if my memory serves me right, she didn't have a very high opinion of unions in general. Overall just very much into the capitalist mindset.
Please read Masses, Elites et Rebels by Red Sails...
Edit: essentially
Westerners are willingly complicit in crimes because they instinctively and correctly understand that they benefit as a class (as a global bourgeois proletariat) from the exploitation enabled by their military and their propaganda (in Gramscian: organs of coercion and consent).
In my opinion, I think the benefits come from the overwhelming exploitation of the Global South's resources nad labor used to build up the Global North/the West's economic opportunities.
So, until she has been later disenfranchised by the reality of capitalism... she would probably stick to their own status (which, I mean, understandable)
You should explain it in your own words instead of tasking others to read what you've read.
Honestly this is something I've tried to an extent. Not that I really think I'm going to convince anyone, but I try to at least give a more leftist perspective on whatever it is we may be talking about.
I also disagree with the Roderic Day article above (just saw the edit).
There are many BIPOC and poor people in the Western world.
It's not even a matter of "rights" and "disenfranchisement" and it's more accurate to say that a lot of this stuff is implicit and isn't really thought of in concrete terms by Westerners.
And being "proletarianized" isn't a panacea for, say, chauvinism or racism.
(Also, the article on brain-washing is kinda silly in general lmao)
I do find Roderic Day overrated, but that's not the point.
I think people have this penchant for (sometimes) telling others to read something and having the other person go the extra mile when they could've been simply told in fewer words.
I get it, not everyone has the time, but at best, it results in the person being "converted" to yours or someone else's opinion (again, at best) while neglecting any counter-arguments.
It's a very, err, artificial way of creating a follower, if you catch my drift; it's not that organic and just sort-of creates a situation (at best, I should stress) where there's no real discussion and others can't hop in to challenge you or whoever is doing this.
Idk, I study communications so....
lol Just thought I'd explain my thinking of when I made that initial comment to you.
Had a very meh Valtentine's Day. Not that I want to put too much weight on it, but considering how dead my love life is, the last time I dated was about 5 years ago, I can't help feel the desire to be with someone on a day that's just all about that.
Besides that I don't know that I'd call it a debate, but the cleaning lady at my job was asking me who I'm voting for in the presidential elections and I said no one. She kept telling me to vote for Trump so that he can resolve the "migrant crisis" and I said, he's not really going to resolve anything, especially not for us [workers]. Then she hit me with the "this is an important election" to which I replied, "yeah, we're told every election is the most important of our lives". I kept it light-hearted with my over the top quirky voice, but inside I was kind of pissed. I'm tired of hearing libs and conservatives blame migrants for problems that have been present forever.
sorry about the meh day. and yeah you fully have to right be annoyed with that xenophobic shit.
Are you that white-passing to have her try to convince you like that? lmao
That being said, idk what to do with that woman, OP....
Nah, she's also a POC. I think the biggest issue is just that so many people come to the US buying into the bootstraps mentality that they feel like anyone who comes here and struggles is just sapping resources from everyone else.
It's especially prevalent with immigrants who come here by legal means. They think that the government is welcoming in illegal migrants with open arms even though that isn't true. It doesn't help that the media constantly bangs on about the migrant crisis and covers it in a way that makes most people who aren't critical of the media they consume think that their enemy are migrants rather than the ruling class.
All I can say is, the woman is a bit too simple, sometimes naive... you can change her...
I doubt it lol. She's dabbled with being a landlord in the past and she's still given thought of buying cheap property out of state to rent out. She's also part of a union, but if my memory serves me right, she didn't have a very high opinion of unions in general. Overall just very much into the capitalist mindset.
On sec thoughts, if referring to this context
Please read Masses, Elites et Rebels by Red Sails...
Edit: essentially
In my opinion, I think the benefits come from the overwhelming exploitation of the Global South's resources nad labor used to build up the Global North/the West's economic opportunities.
Here's a fact:
So, until she has been later disenfranchised by the reality of capitalism... she would probably stick to their own status (which, I mean, understandable)
Red Sails kinda sucks and so does Roderic Day.
You should read things critically, not just tell people to read something.
You should explain it in your own words instead of tasking others to read what you've read.
IMHO.
Honestly this is something I've tried to an extent. Not that I really think I'm going to convince anyone, but I try to at least give a more leftist perspective on whatever it is we may be talking about.
Aye, I think I may've been too harsh on ye... a bit too elitist, judgemental... I apologize, man.
Well, I think I might need to know more to be quiet before I speak....
Nah, you're good. I'm always open to any suggestions whenever it comes to this sort of stuff.
Awesome!
I also disagree with the Roderic Day article above (just saw the edit).
There are many BIPOC and poor people in the Western world.
It's not even a matter of "rights" and "disenfranchisement" and it's more accurate to say that a lot of this stuff is implicit and isn't really thought of in concrete terms by Westerners.
And being "proletarianized" isn't a panacea for, say, chauvinism or racism.
(Also, the article on brain-washing is kinda silly in general lmao)
Oh, ok.... I thought he was fine as a starter
Fine, fine.
I do find Roderic Day overrated, but that's not the point.
I think people have this penchant for (sometimes) telling others to read something and having the other person go the extra mile when they could've been simply told in fewer words.
I get it, not everyone has the time, but at best, it results in the person being "converted" to yours or someone else's opinion (again, at best) while neglecting any counter-arguments.
It's a very, err, artificial way of creating a follower, if you catch my drift; it's not that organic and just sort-of creates a situation (at best, I should stress) where there's no real discussion and others can't hop in to challenge you or whoever is doing this.
Idk, I study communications so....
lol Just thought I'd explain my thinking of when I made that initial comment to you.
Yeah, I have a relative who works for DHS and she says there's lots of racism there too.