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  • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
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    9 months ago

    On sec thoughts, if referring to this context

    Please read Masses, Elites et Rebels by Red Sails...

    Edit: essentially

    Westerners are willingly complicit in crimes because they instinctively and correctly understand that they benefit as a class (as a global bourgeois proletariat) from the exploitation enabled by their military and their propaganda (in Gramscian: organs of coercion and consent).

    In my opinion, I think the benefits come from the overwhelming exploitation of the Global South's resources nad labor used to build up the Global North/the West's economic opportunities.

    Here's a fact:

    The South’s losses outstrip their aid receipts by a factor of 30.

    So, until she has been later disenfranchised by the reality of capitalism... she would probably stick to their own status (which, I mean, understandable)

    • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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      9 months ago

      Red Sails kinda sucks and so does Roderic Day.

      You should read things critically, not just tell people to read something.

      You should explain it in your own words instead of tasking others to read what you've read.

      IMHO.

      • Rojo27 [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        You should explain it in your own words instead of tasking others to read what you've read.

        Honestly this is something I've tried to an extent. Not that I really think I'm going to convince anyone, but I try to at least give a more leftist perspective on whatever it is we may be talking about.

        • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
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          9 months ago

          Aye, I think I may've been too harsh on ye... a bit too elitist, judgemental... I apologize, man.

          Well, I think I might need to know more to be quiet before I speak....

          • Rojo27 [he/him]
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            9 months ago

            Nah, you're good. I'm always open to any suggestions whenever it comes to this sort of stuff.

        • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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          9 months ago

          Awesome!

          I also disagree with the Roderic Day article above (just saw the edit).

          There are many BIPOC and poor people in the Western world.

          It's not even a matter of "rights" and "disenfranchisement" and it's more accurate to say that a lot of this stuff is implicit and isn't really thought of in concrete terms by Westerners.

          And being "proletarianized" isn't a panacea for, say, chauvinism or racism.

          (Also, the article on brain-washing is kinda silly in general lmao)

        • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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          9 months ago

          Fine, fine.

          I do find Roderic Day overrated, but that's not the point.

          I think people have this penchant for (sometimes) telling others to read something and having the other person go the extra mile when they could've been simply told in fewer words.

          I get it, not everyone has the time, but at best, it results in the person being "converted" to yours or someone else's opinion (again, at best) while neglecting any counter-arguments.

          It's a very, err, artificial way of creating a follower, if you catch my drift; it's not that organic and just sort-of creates a situation (at best, I should stress) where there's no real discussion and others can't hop in to challenge you or whoever is doing this.

          Idk, I study communications so....

          lol Just thought I'd explain my thinking of when I made that initial comment to you.