Just from a story telling perspective, there isn't really much to a tale of the establishment crushing a resistance center from the pov of the establishment. They're in the advantageous position, people like when heros overcome obstacles which means they need yo have obstacles not be the obstacle. What kind of ending would you even have? Some disconnected suits breath a sigh of relief while cops mow down people in the streets to a John Williams score? Yeah, sounds like a real winner there. Protagonists are generally underdogs so there can be a story that happens.
I mean most of cop/spy/war movies are basically this, they just localise the struggle and voila, instead of US empire brutalizing half of the world and getting an attack or two in desperate retaliation we suddenly have a lone white hero (possibly with a black sidekick) heroically stopping the relentless onslaught of PoC terrorists/dictatorships on the smol imperialist bean.
Basically every single superhero movie is the establishment crushing the rebels and the audience cheers as the status quo is restored and the well intentioned villain who went too far is dispatched
The superhero character is still a Normal dude who overcomees adversity to defend the status quo as an outsider to the status quo. The establishment doesn't win, the hero shows up and saves it. This is because basic blockbuster writing is focused on the individual and the status quo is regarded as neutral good as well as unchangeable. Tha
Not in Marvel, they are literal government agents employed and sponsored by the state. Captain America is the establishment. Ironman is the establishment. Batman works with cops and is just a glorified corrupt cop, he’s the establishment as well.
Billionaires aligned with the state cannot possible be more establishment than they are
I was gonna caveat batman or at least how he's been handled for the last 20 years or so, I'm down with an animated series style batman, or even the arkham games went with where I'm down to forgive the problematic parts of batman if the camp level is high enough to allow me to. Then it's like, okay, fine, you're being a bit silly. Frank Miller and epitomizing with Nolan taking it fully seriously is when it becomes a problem for me. I haven't seen any marvel movies aside from the guardians of the galaxy movies and Thor Ragnarok, so I generally still think of superheroes as like...spider man or something. A guy with a working class secret identity usually up against well funded bad guys. Oh, I also watched the Netflix daredevil, that was good too. I've got some selective superheroe ignorance due to choosing not to watch movies I know I won't like.
Basing your analysis of superhero movies on non-Marvel films is like basing your analysis of Gangster movies on non-Scorsese films, and excluding The Godfather and Scarface. You are excluding by far the most prominent examples of the genre and cherry-picking outliers
Just from a story telling perspective, there isn't really much to a tale of the establishment crushing a resistance center from the pov of the establishment. They're in the advantageous position, people like when heros overcome obstacles which means they need yo have obstacles not be the obstacle. What kind of ending would you even have? Some disconnected suits breath a sigh of relief while cops mow down people in the streets to a John Williams score? Yeah, sounds like a real winner there. Protagonists are generally underdogs so there can be a story that happens.
I mean most of cop/spy/war movies are basically this, they just localise the struggle and voila, instead of US empire brutalizing half of the world and getting an attack or two in desperate retaliation we suddenly have a lone white hero (possibly with a black sidekick) heroically stopping the relentless onslaught of PoC terrorists/dictatorships on the smol imperialist bean.
Basically every single superhero movie is the establishment crushing the rebels and the audience cheers as the status quo is restored and the well intentioned villain who went too far is dispatched
The superhero character is still a Normal dude who overcomees adversity to defend the status quo as an outsider to the status quo. The establishment doesn't win, the hero shows up and saves it. This is because basic blockbuster writing is focused on the individual and the status quo is regarded as neutral good as well as unchangeable. Tha
Not in Marvel, they are literal government agents employed and sponsored by the state. Captain America is the establishment. Ironman is the establishment. Batman works with cops and is just a glorified corrupt cop, he’s the establishment as well.
Billionaires aligned with the state cannot possible be more establishment than they are
I was gonna caveat batman or at least how he's been handled for the last 20 years or so, I'm down with an animated series style batman, or even the arkham games went with where I'm down to forgive the problematic parts of batman if the camp level is high enough to allow me to. Then it's like, okay, fine, you're being a bit silly. Frank Miller and epitomizing with Nolan taking it fully seriously is when it becomes a problem for me. I haven't seen any marvel movies aside from the guardians of the galaxy movies and Thor Ragnarok, so I generally still think of superheroes as like...spider man or something. A guy with a working class secret identity usually up against well funded bad guys. Oh, I also watched the Netflix daredevil, that was good too. I've got some selective superheroe ignorance due to choosing not to watch movies I know I won't like.
Basing your analysis of superhero movies on non-Marvel films is like basing your analysis of Gangster movies on non-Scorsese films, and excluding The Godfather and Scarface. You are excluding by far the most prominent examples of the genre and cherry-picking outliers
But in doing so I don't have to watch bad movies. So...I still win.
True but maybe sit the superhero movie discussions out.
No