On a serious note though, i hate this so much. This is clearly just a homophobic/transphobic move but like, cishet couples shouldn't have to "prove" that they've been trying to conceive for 2 years either. what the fuck?
Surely a cishet couple would only need to prove that they're medically incapable of conceiving? Like what's the point of trying for 2 years in a case where it just isn't going to happen?
On the other hand, the doctors at the NHS are already spread pretty thin and elective use of those resources should be minimized. IVF is not a nothingburger. It takes a lot of intervention. Hormone shots, constant checkups, and the actual implantation procedure, which often has to be done more than once.
That said, if the problem is that the NHS has been underfunded and simply can't support IVF procedures without means testing them, the blame doesn't exactly switch to a different group of people.
Domestic adoption as an institution was also created as a child trafficking mechanism, designed to take children away from "undesirables" and shuffle them to "ideal American families" and completely alienate these children from their birth families in the process. The precise definition of "ideal" may have changed from its inception, but the foundation remains the same.
regardless, i'd rather grow up in a house with a family than some unfunded group home and find out the government spend thousands of pounds on somebody who didn't exist instead of me, who already exists.
A single cycle of IVF costs several thousand pounds, and hours of medical professionals labour. It normally takes 2-3 cycles to get pregnant.
Allowing couples capable of conceiving naturally to apply for publicly funded IVF can only deny it to people incapable of doing so. Even under socialism, these things still cost limited resources.
... Well.. there's probably not a shortage of semen/egg storage facilities... probably not a shortage of hormones... definitely not a shortage of syringes and needles...
So, I'm thinking there's no reason for this to be treated as a "scarce" resource that needs rationing.
The scarce resource is the number of hours in a day for the medical staff to do this stuff. Add more medical staff specializing in IVF and it's less of a problem.
So a very minor thing of ... scheduling. That's pretty much it.
There is no huge demand for IVF that is going to crash the system. People aren't waiting in line outside IVF clinics for their turn as it is, by all the accounts I've come across, its a pretty rough thing to go through.
This is in Terf Island so a couple that could conceive naturally but just wants to do IVF for some reason would just be taking up a slot of someone who actually needs IVF to conceive.
If they want to pay for it out of pocket, then that's fine.
On a serious note though, i hate this so much. This is clearly just a homophobic/transphobic move but like, cishet couples shouldn't have to "prove" that they've been trying to conceive for 2 years either. what the fuck?
Surely a cishet couple would only need to prove that they're medically incapable of conceiving? Like what's the point of trying for 2 years in a case where it just isn't going to happen?
I'm no doctor but if a cishet couple that could "normally" conceive wants to do IVF for no other reason than "We want to", I say let them
Yeah, even cishet couples should be able to have children.
Idk, that sounds like a slippery slope.
On the other hand, the doctors at the NHS are already spread pretty thin and elective use of those resources should be minimized. IVF is not a nothingburger. It takes a lot of intervention. Hormone shots, constant checkups, and the actual implantation procedure, which often has to be done more than once.
Shouldn't the invisible hand of the market come up with a more efficient process if demand goes up?
They have the NHS though lol
Yeah, like Doctor Chungus can be a cool doc and all, but at the end of the day it's still a question of allocating resources.
That said, if the problem is that the NHS has been underfunded and simply can't support IVF procedures without means testing them, the blame doesn't exactly switch to a different group of people.
why wouldn't it switch from the administrators dealing with the limited resources to the freaks limiting the resources?
True, true
or they could adopt.
i don't understand why we're upholding something as idealist as bloodlines.
Adoption is basically just child trafficking, so maybe not.
international adoption sure. I'm talking about orphanages and religious folks having accidents.
Domestic adoption as an institution was also created as a child trafficking mechanism, designed to take children away from "undesirables" and shuffle them to "ideal American families" and completely alienate these children from their birth families in the process. The precise definition of "ideal" may have changed from its inception, but the foundation remains the same.
I can tell you it is still the same freaks that adopt.
regardless, i'd rather grow up in a house with a family than some unfunded group home and find out the government spend thousands of pounds on somebody who didn't exist instead of me, who already exists.
A single cycle of IVF costs several thousand pounds, and hours of medical professionals labour. It normally takes 2-3 cycles to get pregnant.
Allowing couples capable of conceiving naturally to apply for publicly funded IVF can only deny it to people incapable of doing so. Even under socialism, these things still cost limited resources.
... Well.. there's probably not a shortage of semen/egg storage facilities... probably not a shortage of hormones... definitely not a shortage of syringes and needles...
So, I'm thinking there's no reason for this to be treated as a "scarce" resource that needs rationing.
The scarce resource is the number of hours in a day for the medical staff to do this stuff. Add more medical staff specializing in IVF and it's less of a problem.
So a very minor thing of ... scheduling. That's pretty much it.
There is no huge demand for IVF that is going to crash the system. People aren't waiting in line outside IVF clinics for their turn as it is, by all the accounts I've come across, its a pretty rough thing to go through.
This is in Terf Island so a couple that could conceive naturally but just wants to do IVF for some reason would just be taking up a slot of someone who actually needs IVF to conceive.
If they want to pay for it out of pocket, then that's fine.