I’m not even American, so it doesn’t affect me directly, but I am scared to death of a Trump presidency.
I am one of those people here who think that Biden is a far more competent executor of imperialist policies compared to Trump, but what I am even more afraid of is the early death of nascent left wing movements in America.
I am reminded of how the KPD getting its leaders murdered by Freikorps thugs during the Spartacist uprising (mind you, a much stronger party than any leftist movement in America today), and how its continued suppression paved the way to Nazi Germany.
Project 2025 will effectively embolden fascist thugs in America to do the same to the left wing movements, many of which are still in their cradle, and the death of leftist movements in their infancies will inevitably pave the way to a fascist America and undo many of the progress that had been made over decades.
The world cannot afford a fascist America. Imagine Hitler with nukes. The world will have to pay a much, much larger price as a result.
On this reasoning alone, I believe that Trump needs to be stopped at all cost. But many here have disagreed with me, and I need you to persuade me why I shouldn’t be afraid of Project 2025 at all. Even if the chance of that happening is 10%, I’m still not ready to gamble with it.
(I’m not saying we have to support Biden, I believe it is somewhat inevitable, I’m saying that we have to buy ourselves as much time as possible, even if it means strategic voting, to build a resilient leftist movement while delaying the inevitable for as long as we can.)
Because it's effectively already happened. The judiciary is fully illegitimate and holds dictatorial power; whether it wields that power now or in two years or in four years barely matters since nothing we can do will prevent it. You can put all your energy into the unfixably broken electoral system in order to barely slow the rot, thereby legitimizing that system, or you can accept now that America is DEAD and begin acting accordingly.
Act accordingly how?
That's up to you to answer, fam. Depends on where you are and the conditions there, as well as your own ideology and your material/class/social conditions.
Sure, but I was hoping you'd give an example of what you're doing
I am developing a self-sustaining eco-socialist community in rural Montana. This is only possible because I was lucky enough to have a friend who sold me property cheaply and then to come into enough of an inheritance to pay it off. Your mileage will absolutely vary.
Hey uhh how big is this community going to be? Montana is the most beautiful state I've been in.
get some people together to buy the adjoining property and it could be a lot bigger
if the hexbear commune in liberal mountain doesn't invite me i'm gonna be so mad 😡
Death to America
Is it far from Helena?
Depends on your definition of far
OK, create a circle centered on the state capitol. Which multiple of 50 represents the radius in miles required before the circle is big enough to contain the community?
4
By my own definition that's pretty far away, but I'll ask my cousin what he thinks.
Hopefully there's rivers or a lake nearby for when the nukes start dropping
Death to America
If it is possible, emigrating to a safer country?
No country in the global north will be safe.
This is my first thought as well. I have plenty of fairly close relatives in the USA, and if there was some viable method other than, like, them flying here and then refusing to leave — I would see that every single one of them would be moved here.