Nawaf Salam, the head of the International Court of Justice: “Israel must immediately hold its military offensive of any other action in the Rafah governorate which may inflict on the Palestinian group in Gaza, conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.”

  • RedWizard [he/him]
    hexbear
    72
    1 month ago

    Without these orders being backed by some form of material threat, they're the equivalent of finger wagging. It's good for documentation and building a paper trail for the inevitable trials that will result, but you just wish there was a way for these orders to have some weight behind them.

    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
      hexbear
      35
      1 month ago

      The main use for these decisions right now is to hold libs' feet to the fire. Oh, you're Mr. Rules Based International Order? You think we're the good guys? You think this is a complicated, messy situation but whaddayagonna do? Here's an objective, prestigious international observer saying it's genocide.

      Short of anything really cool happening, this is going to end the way apartheid South Africa ended: gradual economic and political isolation plus on-the-ground resistance resulting in some version of the Israeli government deciding the current course is untenable.

      • ashinadash [she/her, comrade/them]
        hexbear
        21
        1 month ago

        Will the US let the Isntreali government decide that though? The whitehouse seems to be extremely vociferous in its backing of israel, way more than apartheid South Africa.

        • Dolores [love/loves]
          hexbear
          10
          1 month ago

          the US' current blank cheque support can't rescue the zionist project, what further escalation is left?

            • Dolores [love/loves]
              hexbear
              7
              1 month ago

              the IOF can't coordinate not shooting their own guys, the US isn't going to put their troops in that line of fire, and if they did they'd be pretty useless

                • Dolores [love/loves]
                  hexbear
                  9
                  1 month ago

                  cant invent things twice. Syria and Iraq are examples of what a US effort 'from scratch' looks like, and US power has only declined since

          • Pentacat [he/him]
            hexbear
            4
            1 month ago

            Putting pro-Palestine young people in the US into work camps to revitalize our “defense” industry? Seizing those same people’s assets (and their parents’ assets) to recruit fresh settlers with extra financial rewards?

            These steps aren’t materially more helpful than today’s blank check but they would send a powerful message of unwavering commitment to the Zionist colony.

            • Dolores [love/loves]
              hexbear
              5
              1 month ago

              i think you'd need to send prisoners as the colonists Australia-style. Israel is bleeding settlers and i don't think they'll be more disposed as Israel becomes even more of a pariah and its conditions decline.

    • Beaver [he/him]
      hexbear
      31
      1 month ago

      In the early Obama era, the lib argument for how this is "supposed" to work is that the UN would identify nation-state level crimes about to happen (or in-progress), and then send a coalition national militaries over there to solve the problem. They based this on such positive examples as UN and NATO interventions in Yugoslavia and Afghanistan.

    • Awoo [she/her]
      hexbear
      25
      1 month ago

      for the inevitable trials that will result

      The UN will want another International Tribunal for this but the mechanism to call one is performed via a security council vote. What they have to do first is make it so politically costly that the US won't veto it.

      An International Tribunal called by the security council has binding powers above that of the Security Council itself. Effectively once called an international tribunal can ultimately bind the security council to act on its decisions.

    • CarbonScored [any]
      hexbear
      11
      edit-2
      1 month ago

      I honestly don't know enough about the level of standard of the ICJ's other findings. Do we really want them to have a global cop force to back up their threats?

      • 7bicycles [he/him]
        hexbear
        8
        1 month ago

        I mean fuck it, why not. Any court on the level of a constitutional court or the ICJ with no standing army is always going to be finger wagging

        There's a debate to be had about the existence of these types of courts in the first place but if you actually believed in them you'd be pro them having a standing army