I know I'm encroaching on very dangerous bootlicker terrain here, but it's obvious that a service like YouTube, that lets you upload and watch as many videos as you want and let's users monetize their videos to such a degree that a non-insignificant number of people can live off of it, needs to make money somehow.
If you want to see what a service that doesn't have ads look like, look at Vimeo, where creators pay out of the ass to upload any videos at all.
And unlike most services YouTube does actually give you an option to opt out of ads. YouTube Premium might be too expensive, but 55% of that does actually go to the video creators. I'll take that a million times over shit like Facebook or tiktok that doesn't give you that option at all.
Use ad blockers, pirate all media, steal shit from the supermarket, it's all cool and correct to do so, but to pretend like this is some new extra greedy move is just ridiculous.
you're right, 1) within the confines of capitalism, 2) assuming YouTube is operating like a utility, and 3) not worrying about what they do with their half of the revenue. Really, YouTube should be operated by the state at a loss and as a utility, but yeah, as a market product, it does sorta make sense that they have to charge for it and get really nasty as soon as people don't wanna pay.
in agreement with you, except under communism there will be no need for youtube (as it would be nothing but a giant money and technologyhole), as we'll just have communal television, communal cinemas, communal theaters and communal video stores instead.
there will be local chapters where you and your friends can be the game grumps and people will watch you live on stage playing videogames and be delighted by your live commentary
I think youtube style stuff could absolutely exist under communism, just that it would be like old youtube, people making videos for fun, and sharing it because they want people to see it, not to make money.
under communism there will be no need for youtube ... as we'll just have communal television, communal cinemas, communal theaters and communal video stores instead
the most valuable thing about YouTube is the amount of tutorials on there, and watching tutorials is generally a solitary activity
Ads are the memetic equivalent of toxic waste. It's bad enough they're allowed to exist at all, but the notion that they should be permitted to be dumped directly into personal computers is obscene and the idea that it's somehow wrong to prevent this from happening is laughable.
If google wishes to display ads they may do so passively on their own property, and any effort to invade my personal space and mind with this hazardous waste must be both condemned and thwarted by any means necessary.
Obviously ads are bad for the soul and the mind, but please don't be ridiculous, it's very easy to simply not go on YouTube (or if you can't help yourself pay the 13 bucks for premium). It's not like every other aspect of human life and actual public space hasn't been invaded by ads to a much bigger degree, where companies do ostensibly only "passively display ads on their property". Do you walk around ripping off ads from billboards or painting over ads in subway stations?
but it's obvious that a service like YouTube, that lets you upload and watch as many videos as you want
Google owns enough infrastructure that the actual cost is much lower than you would expect (hence the significant barriers to entry for any competitors).
I genuinely doubt running a service that allows people to upload ~270.000 hours of videos a day and that makes those videos available almost instantly is cheap, or that they'd own the infrastructure to do so regardless of whether they own YouTube or not.
but to pretend like this is some new extra greedy move is just ridiculous.
I disagree. Google ran Youtube at a massive loss for many many years and effectively killed all competition in doing so. If Youtube had to play by the same rules as everybody not owned by Google the video streaming world would probably be very different today. Video streaming has always been extremely expensive. Youtube has just been subsidized by infinite money from Google Search. They can turn on the ads now because there's no competition.
YouTube was never able to dominate the live-streaming market though, mostly because people keep committing murders on livestreams, I think Facebook leads the pack in murders but I’m not sure. YouTube really needs to up its murders per million users metrics if they have a chance of ever overtaking twitch.
Very similar market same with movie and tv streaming and it’s weird YouTube wasn’t able to monopolize those markets either when their parent company google was able to monopolize so much of its shared market. Google has far less competitors than YouTube.
I know I'm encroaching on very dangerous bootlicker terrain here, but it's obvious that a service like YouTube, that lets you upload and watch as many videos as you want and let's users monetize their videos to such a degree that a non-insignificant number of people can live off of it, needs to make money somehow. If you want to see what a service that doesn't have ads look like, look at Vimeo, where creators pay out of the ass to upload any videos at all. And unlike most services YouTube does actually give you an option to opt out of ads. YouTube Premium might be too expensive, but 55% of that does actually go to the video creators. I'll take that a million times over shit like Facebook or tiktok that doesn't give you that option at all.
Use ad blockers, pirate all media, steal shit from the supermarket, it's all cool and correct to do so, but to pretend like this is some new extra greedy move is just ridiculous.
you're right, 1) within the confines of capitalism, 2) assuming YouTube is operating like a utility, and 3) not worrying about what they do with their half of the revenue. Really, YouTube should be operated by the state at a loss and as a utility, but yeah, as a market product, it does sorta make sense that they have to charge for it and get really nasty as soon as people don't wanna pay.
The only state I’d trust to run YouTube would be North Korea
Every video will be required to have kim jong il. Also, it will be forbidden to have kim jong il in your video
in agreement with you, except under communism there will be no need for youtube (as it would be nothing but a giant money and technologyhole), as we'll just have communal television, communal cinemas, communal theaters and communal video stores instead.
In which one of these will four hour video essays be found
all of them? except they'll actually be good. they did actually make them decades before the internet was even invented.
Don't think this would pair well with cleaning my bathroom or folding laundry
Can we keep the People's Game Grumps though? I need my slop
there will be local chapters where you and your friends can be the game grumps and people will watch you live on stage playing videogames and be delighted by your live commentary
I already make enough poopy jokes to be an Aren Hansen impersonator
Who will be my Danny though?
I think youtube style stuff could absolutely exist under communism, just that it would be like old youtube, people making videos for fun, and sharing it because they want people to see it, not to make money.
the most valuable thing about YouTube is the amount of tutorials on there, and watching tutorials is generally a solitary activity
Tutorials are better in text form anyway. Also once again, not like "how to" videos weren't made in abundance during the video boom
I thought communism was supposed to improve things?
Ads are the memetic equivalent of toxic waste. It's bad enough they're allowed to exist at all, but the notion that they should be permitted to be dumped directly into personal computers is obscene and the idea that it's somehow wrong to prevent this from happening is laughable.
If google wishes to display ads they may do so passively on their own property, and any effort to invade my personal space and mind with this hazardous waste must be both condemned and thwarted by any means necessary.
Obviously ads are bad for the soul and the mind, but please don't be ridiculous, it's very easy to simply not go on YouTube (or if you can't help yourself pay the 13 bucks for premium). It's not like every other aspect of human life and actual public space hasn't been invaded by ads to a much bigger degree, where companies do ostensibly only "passively display ads on their property". Do you walk around ripping off ads from billboards or painting over ads in subway stations?
Oh fuck off. Ads are literal cancer and should be blocked and destroyed every way possible.
Goddamn that sounds dope as fuck, I should start doing this
Yeah do it because that'd be actual praxis instead of bitching about how you can't watch shitty youtube videos without ads
Google owns enough infrastructure that the actual cost is much lower than you would expect (hence the significant barriers to entry for any competitors).
I genuinely doubt running a service that allows people to upload ~270.000 hours of videos a day and that makes those videos available almost instantly is cheap, or that they'd own the infrastructure to do so regardless of whether they own YouTube or not.
I disagree. Google ran Youtube at a massive loss for many many years and effectively killed all competition in doing so. If Youtube had to play by the same rules as everybody not owned by Google the video streaming world would probably be very different today. Video streaming has always been extremely expensive. Youtube has just been subsidized by infinite money from Google Search. They can turn on the ads now because there's no competition.
YouTube was never able to dominate the live-streaming market though, mostly because people keep committing murders on livestreams, I think Facebook leads the pack in murders but I’m not sure. YouTube really needs to up its murders per million users metrics if they have a chance of ever overtaking twitch.
when i say "video streaming" i mean sites like youtube where you upload a video and people stream it (rather than download it)
Very similar market same with movie and tv streaming and it’s weird YouTube wasn’t able to monopolize those markets either when their parent company google was able to monopolize so much of its shared market. Google has far less competitors than YouTube.