I ask this in good faith, and I do not mean to bring about struggle sessions with this question (keep it civil, please :). I'm writing a sort of mini-essay on a certain topic (Edit: not anymore, I lost my writing appetite), and veganism fits into that topic (I'm keeping it vague because I'll probably post it here and I don't want to spoil the whole thing). If people are on the fence and others want to know more about what Veganism is and why they should consume in that way, I would be grateful if others more experienced and well-read on the subject could provide resources or counter-reasons. I feel like a lot of the things I believed before going vegan turned out to be misconceptions, and it doesn't hurt to be more educated on a subject, right?
Edit: I need to take a break from the internet again, if my brain wasn't fried already it is now (not anything any of you started, I brought this upon myself)
No. Cue death threats, but I don't believe killing animals is fundamentally wrong. The industry is problematic, and could/should be significantly improved, but welcome to all industries under capitalism.
I actually incidentally grew up vegetarian, so I eat tons of beans, can cook the veg meals and don't eat much meat now anyway. I'm just not convinced there's good reason to change.
All fucking power to vegans though, I make a point to bully carnists when they're overly smug about it.
Me breeding puppies into existence just to burn 'em all after getting your approval.
Thanks for reassuring me that it's not wrong!
I kinda get you there. My concerns with the current state of animal agriculture is currently more the human cost. The run-off from CAFO's, the literal slave labor these industries employ, the mass destruction of land to grow corn to feed pigs that will largely just be slaughtered to raise prices on the stuff that actually gets sold. But like, the occasional deer hunter, fisher, Eid celebratory meal doesn't bother me so much.
When is it wrong to kill a (non-human) animal? When is it wrong to kill a human?
Do you ever bully yourself?
When is it wrong to kill an animal?
When the point of doing so lacks use value and/or harms the natural balance of the world. Trophy hunting, industrial agriculture, poaching for animal products of endangered species .
When is it wrong to kill a human? I feel like this is a useless trap question. Regardless of that, questions of just death have been argued over for centuries. I'll try and give some examples. Probably if they're too much like a fascist, sell out our planet for the purpose of money, sell out people for the purpose of money, kill like 2 or 3other innocent people or something?
Sometimes, but then I stop.
I'm in the same boat. I could probably say where that belief comes from within myself but i think that's usually just a waste of breath.
Pastoral agriculture is a farce in the way its used to hide away the crimes of Tyson and the like but as someone who's been tangentially involved with the collection and processing of my own meat it really just doesn't bother me much.
You don't think it's fundamentally wrong even when it's unnecessary? Do you believe there's any meaningful ethical difference between commercial killing on an industrial scale vs. killing for survival when there are no other options or killing invasive species?