Russia also has a lot of influence in the global south that China lacks. You can give me all the history lessons you want as to why that is but at the end of the day it’s the Russian flag you see rebels waving and not the Chinese one.
Russia has a much better track record in Africa than China going way back to Tsar Nicholas II. It says a lot that even when Russia was at its most imperialist and reactionary, it still played a progressive role in Africa. Because if it wasn't for Tsarist Russia under Tsar Nicholas II, Ethiopia wouldn't have done so well in the First Italo-Ethiopian War, perhaps even be colonized by the Italians. At the height of European colonization of Africa, Ethiopia was the only African country that held onto its sovereignty (Liberia doesn't count since Liberia was a de facto US colony), and much of it was thanks to Tsarist Russia.
Russia's hands are almost completely clean when it comes to Africa. More Africans died from being tossed overboard in a single slave ship headed to the Americas than however many Africans Wagner or any other Russian-affiliated group has killed. As long as the current Russia leader isn't as bad as some inbred anti-Semitic chump who got owned by communists, Russia will most likely continue to play a progressive role in Africa.
This is why I always say that if China is serious about leading the anti-imperialist movement against the global hegemon, it can start by using its vast amount of foreign reserves to pay back the Global South debt. This will improve China’s image in the eyes of many Global South countries.
isnt china already doing this?
On the other hand, and unfortunately, China still has some issues with their image across the Global South (and I say this as a Chinese myself). Many countries are still quite suspicious of China’s intentions and there is an impression that China is only interested in doing business where profit matters.
is there some truth to his or is it another fabrication from western media?
I wouldn't say that's true. China doesn't try to enact regime change, they work with the establishment. That's why you don't see rebels flying the Chinese flag, but it doesn't mean China lacks influence. They just lack influence with rebel groups.
Nah, I don't really see people wave Chinese flags. And it has little to do with them being anti-communist because I see them occasionally wave DPRK flags as well.
Chinese foreign policy has been shit since they helped the DPRK during the Korean War(which was basically the last good thing they did). Meanwhile the DPRK has always been on the right side of history when it comes to conflicts in MENA and Africa
PRC and DPRK have completely different circumstances.
China spent decades avoiding antagonising the West and quietly developing its economy (Deng's "Lay low and develop the productive forces") to the point where Western economies were so dependent on China that they can't cut it down to size anymore. DPRK had no such potential as they were already severely sanctioned.
So while DPRK has been able to always be outspokenly on the right side of history, no other socialist state can match the PRC's ability to aid other states in their development, share potentially world-saving green energy solutions across the global South, stake a socialist presence on the moon and Mars which would otherwise be de facto American frontiers, and have its private sector take money from Western gamers and use it fund fusion power research.
Yeah I think China has economic and some social influence in the global south but Russia definitely has much more military influence because of their willingness to provide military assistance.
Russia also has a lot of influence in the global south that China lacks. You can give me all the history lessons you want as to why that is but at the end of the day it’s the Russian flag you see rebels waving and not the Chinese one.
Russia has a much better track record in Africa than China going way back to Tsar Nicholas II. It says a lot that even when Russia was at its most imperialist and reactionary, it still played a progressive role in Africa. Because if it wasn't for Tsarist Russia under Tsar Nicholas II, Ethiopia wouldn't have done so well in the First Italo-Ethiopian War, perhaps even be colonized by the Italians. At the height of European colonization of Africa, Ethiopia was the only African country that held onto its sovereignty (Liberia doesn't count since Liberia was a de facto US colony), and much of it was thanks to Tsarist Russia.
Russia's hands are almost completely clean when it comes to Africa. More Africans died from being tossed overboard in a single slave ship headed to the Americas than however many Africans Wagner or any other Russian-affiliated group has killed. As long as the current Russia leader isn't as bad as some inbred anti-Semitic chump who got owned by communists, Russia will most likely continue to play a progressive role in Africa.
deleted by creator
isnt china already doing this?
is there some truth to his or is it another fabrication from western media?
deleted by creator
deleted by creator
I wouldn't say that's true. China doesn't try to enact regime change, they work with the establishment. That's why you don't see rebels flying the Chinese flag, but it doesn't mean China lacks influence. They just lack influence with rebel groups.
Nah, I don't really see people wave Chinese flags. And it has little to do with them being anti-communist because I see them occasionally wave DPRK flags as well.
Chinese foreign policy has been shit since they helped the DPRK during the Korean War(which was basically the last good thing they did). Meanwhile the DPRK has always been on the right side of history when it comes to conflicts in MENA and Africa
Up through the 70s China was an active material supporter of the PFLP.
PRC and DPRK have completely different circumstances.
China spent decades avoiding antagonising the West and quietly developing its economy (Deng's "Lay low and develop the productive forces") to the point where Western economies were so dependent on China that they can't cut it down to size anymore. DPRK had no such potential as they were already severely sanctioned.
So while DPRK has been able to always be outspokenly on the right side of history, no other socialist state can match the PRC's ability to aid other states in their development, share potentially world-saving green energy solutions across the global South, stake a socialist presence on the moon and Mars which would otherwise be de facto American frontiers, and have its private sector take money from Western gamers and use it fund fusion power research.
Yeah, I know WHY they do things the way they do/did. I don't have to like it though.
Overall I'm just sad we lost a socialist counterbalance to the world hegemony of capitalism
Yeah I think China has economic and some social influence in the global south but Russia definitely has much more military influence because of their willingness to provide military assistance.