The first nearby one of the year. 100 acres instantly and at least one beautiful mountain ruined for the next decade+: https://alertwest.live/cam-console/8613

Near this in 2020 the state saw its two largest wildfires almost converge on Estes Park, one of the main tourist towns outside the main national park.

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  • MaeBorowski [she/her]
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    3 months ago

    No shit it's a result of capitalism. If you want to draw the line at logging practices instead of fires as being the ultimate culprit for permanent change, then... ok? Really it's climate change more broadly that is responsible for the decimation of local ecosystems including the fires, but none of that changes the fact that the fires are a sudden, drastic, and unalterable change to the biomes in an immediate way that the last century+ of logging is not. Logging practices and forest management may have paved the way (cynical pun not intended) for these hotter, larger, more destructive fires, but you can't tell me that the area I've lived in since the 80s wasn't drastically changed for the worse specifically as a result of the 2019 fires in an obvious before/after sort of way. Also, what you said "These forests may change after the fire but they'll be back, and better" is just wrong and contrary to your second comment.

    • OgdenTO [he/him]
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      3 months ago

      Yes, it is climate change, that is true. But you seem to be ignoring the history of the forests in North America. Yes, the fires are worse now, due to climate change. But, they are also worse now due to fires having been suppressed by forest management over the last 70 years, which would have provided the natural renewal needed to keep a population of large, more fire-resistant trees, healthy underbrush, and a diversity of tree types, indicative of a healthy forest that is also specifically not helpful for logging stock.

      I understand the fires change the forest immediately. No shit! It burns down! And then trees take years to grow back. Yeah it will be different. I think I'm not explaining my ideas well though, which is that it is the forest policies guided to maintain future logging stock that creates forests that are ready to burst into flames. This is worsened by climate change, and the fact that smaller fires have been suppressed for many decades to create safe areas for housing for people. It is this the combination of all of these things that has led to the situation we're all in with terrible fires.

      None of this changes the idea that while the fires are dangerous to people (I hope that you and your house are ok!!), fires are in fact ok for forests. The forests that have been logged and replanted with fast growing pines are not healthy as it is. I don't see why it's a tragedy if they are refreshed and a new forest grows out of the amended soil. Many forests (I don't know yours exactly) were logged were replanted with pine monoculture of all the same age, which is a problem for biodiversity, does not support a healthy ecosystem as it is, and can lead to worse fires.

      Obviously I'm not an expert here, and I can understand your frustration. I'm not looking for an argument, I just think that it simportant to recognize that it isn't forest fires that are ruining forests, the fire are the result of forests that are already "ruined" by a hundred years of poorly informed logging and forests management policies, that have decimated ecosystems and prepared monoculture forests ripe for big burns.