maybe-later-honey We need to stop Trump from being elected or he will destroy democracy.

We need to shoot all the Trump supporters.chad-stalin

wojak-nooo Nooooooooo, not like that!


You can, if you stop abstaining or voting third party out of protest. You can’t blame the electoral system for being ineffective if you don’t use it right.

Y’know the old saying about the best and second best times to plant a tree? Sweeping political change takes time. You need progressive candidates to prove themselves on local and state levels.

It’ll take 6 years to replace every governor and congressperson, and based on the landscape I see, at least 5-10 years to promote enough progressives to a position suitable to candidacy. 15-20 years of voting for capable progressives in every race from school board to governor will provide us with a rich crop of experienced candidates.

That does mean voting lesser evil until you can get proven progressives on the ticket. That’s just reality. If you don’t vote for a candidate that wins, you didn’t get even the most meager semblance of representation. Not getting what you want because the voters that disagree with you outnumber the ones that agree is the fundamental principle of democracy. Show up. Vote, for someone who might win.

Republicans planted their tree 50 years ago. Progressives’ best move in the next few elections is show up in droves to big tent blue wave, and then splinter when the Republican party is defunct.

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  • heggs_bayer [none/use name]
    hexagon
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    7 days ago

    Criticism taken. I think a large cause of my edginess is that I have no real skin in the game and have never suffered real hardship in my life: I talk a lot of shit because I've never been hit. I'm not the one who will be bearing the brunt of the result of the shit I spew. I'm a "former" chud (based on my unhinged edgelordery and utter lack of real life political organizing, I can't really say the "former" part in good faith) and that left a massive stamp on my personality that I can't seem to get rid of. I discredit revolutionary leftism because I am (not so) deeply down neither revolutionary nor leftist. All of my closest friends are chuds and I rarely, if ever, push back against them like I should. I continue to stick to my own personal reactionary status quo instead of putting any modicum of effort into improving myself.

    You may notice that I have had this account for barely over a month. I go through a cycle of making an account either on here or on lemmygrad, getting along fine with everyone for awhile, eventually flying off the handle and saying some utterly demonic shit, becoming ashamed of saying said demonic shit, and deleting my account out of embarrassment. I've reached a point where I will delete this account. I'll keep it for maybe another day or two as I'm interested in your and others' feedback, but I think this time I'm not going to make a new one so I can avoid putting my foot in my mouth (keyboard?).

    • the_post_of_tom_joad [any, any]
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      edit-2
      7 days ago

      Holy shit dont delete your account, i rarely see anyone anywhere with any kinna ability to self-reflect. Bad takes are fine if you also listen to criticism and change them

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      7 days ago

      I realized I came of a bit harsher than I meant to (the "you" in that last sentence was meant to be general, not particular). Anyway, I think that while you did say something demonic, just kicking yourself and then taking on a new persona is not a good way to improve. Self-flagellation is a pathological response to shame that often takes the place of being motivated by that shame to improve, when that latter scenario is the only extent to which shame is a good thing and not a pathological emotion.

      There are a bunch of people here who are ex-chuds (or no longer identify with chuddery anyway). I think the best thing to do -- besides getting out there and meeting more people, which would hopefully make you less misanthropic -- is to seek advice from them on how one reconditions themselves. Any advice I might give wouldn't be that helpful because, due to circumstances of my birth, I'm coming from being a former dem rather than chud.

      And as the other fellow said, it would be better to not delete your account, though it's up to you. The reason I immediately came down so hard on this take is that it's not that uncommon among hexbears to just be fantasizing about a Day-of-the-Rope-but-Leftist and, as I said before, I strenuously object to indulging in that kind of thinking.

      • heggs_bayer [none/use name]
        hexagon
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        7 days ago

        just kicking yourself and then taking on a new persona is not a good way to improve. Self-flagellation is a pathological response to shame that often takes the place of being motivated by that shame to improve, when that latter scenario is the only extent to which shame is a good thing and not a pathological emotion.

        This is true. It's been my response to me not doing my best for a long time now and it hasn't really helped me.

        And as the other fellow said, it would be better to not delete your account, though it's up to you.

        H think I'm gonna keep this account. I can overreact to things pretty often, and logging out for awhile I've calmed down a lot. Besides, I think the pun for my username is too good to throw into the void.

      • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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        7 days ago

        I don't know if I would phrase what they said as demonic, I mean it's blatantly wrong but it's an understandable reaction to being told that X person is an existential threat to basically everyone over and over again ad nauseum. At some point you either start thinking every single person voting for them is just straight up evil or hilariously naive and it's really hard to admit that most people are just that lost in the sauce so it makes sense for some people to (VERY INCORRECTLY of course) assume the first is true

    • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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      edit-2
      7 days ago

      It's okay, we all start somewhere. I think they meant the general you, not you specifically, or at least that's how I read it. I wouldn't upbear something I thought was being pointedly mean like that even if I otherwise agreed with it. I think you're being hard on yourself, it sounds like you've come quite far already for someone who's environment is (I'm guessing) not conducive to the kinds of thoughts you're learning to think. Many of us were reactionary/reactionaries once, and to go from that to developing a collective conscience is a painful enough metamorphosis as it is. Please be forgiving with yourself comrade, and know that others will be too.

    • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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      7 days ago

      If I deleted my account every time I said something fucking stupid, I'd be on my 30th account by now. Just let it ride. Own your L's and try to improve.