1. Marx agreed that capitalism is very good at rapid economic growth, which is why Lenin implemented the NEP and Deng Xiaoping implemented the liberal reforms. So why abandon that completely for the system like in Cuba or North Korea which are very inefficient and grow slowly?

  2. Norway, Sweden, Iceland etc are the best places to live on earth. Clearly social democracy has provided the goods. Of course in recent years, due to neoliberalism, those countries are not as great places to live anymore, but they are still the best in the world. So why are you against social democracy if when implemented correctly, it is the best system we have seen? Communism also if not implemented correctly produced horrific results, its all about the implementation. Ideas alone are not enough.

  3. The vast majority of workers do not want communism. How will you try to establish communism democratically when people dont want it? When people say they want socialism, they usually talk about social programs or nationalization of key industries, rather than implementing Cuba or North Korea economy, no one wants that.

EDIT : I have another question. Are communists willing to work with social-democrats? Obviously neoliberalism and fascism are bigger threats, so wouldnt it make sense to vote for and support social democrats like AOC in USA or Corbyn in UK or Mélenchon in France?

  • sozialdemokraten [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Is there any evidence that central planning is more efficient? How many workers vote for communist parties?

    • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Holistically looking at an economy, absolutely. Moan about socialist economies' growth lagging behind capitalist ones by a few points all you want, they were still providing far, far superior social services at a fraction of the social cost. Stop thinking about economics on the capitalists' terms. Eternal growth is not the goal, providing for actual needs is.

      Millions upon millions of people vote for communist parties. Even more voted for them a couple decades ago. Don't confuse crackdown with democracy.

    • CptKrkIsClmbngThMntn [any]
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      4 years ago

      The economy is already centrally planned, just not with any kind of democratic or popular input.

    • Ganonplorf [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      The problem is that you compare countries that were thoroughly destroyed by the west's colonization, sanctions and war to the west. The USSR caught up to the US in around 70 years despite starting as an agrarian country that was barely industrialized.

      You should read more on these countries history and struggles, you'll see that communist countries being slower to develop is a myth. On the contrary, once communists get in power through popular support they get shit done pretty fast despite the capitalists around the world trying to stop them.

    • vccx [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Is there any evidence that central planning is more efficient? How many workers vote for communist parties?

      Ask South America :party-parenti:

    • sam5673 [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      there are generally two types of voters:

      the voters who always vote for the same party

      the one's who vote for the current government if they and they're family had a good last 3 months and the runner up if they didn't

      the issues they're voting on have little effect on their decision either way it's almost random.

      central planning achieved huge success, with it's issues being primarily confined to people getting yelled at because their boss screwed up