1. Marx agreed that capitalism is very good at rapid economic growth, which is why Lenin implemented the NEP and Deng Xiaoping implemented the liberal reforms. So why abandon that completely for the system like in Cuba or North Korea which are very inefficient and grow slowly?

  2. Norway, Sweden, Iceland etc are the best places to live on earth. Clearly social democracy has provided the goods. Of course in recent years, due to neoliberalism, those countries are not as great places to live anymore, but they are still the best in the world. So why are you against social democracy if when implemented correctly, it is the best system we have seen? Communism also if not implemented correctly produced horrific results, its all about the implementation. Ideas alone are not enough.

  3. The vast majority of workers do not want communism. How will you try to establish communism democratically when people dont want it? When people say they want socialism, they usually talk about social programs or nationalization of key industries, rather than implementing Cuba or North Korea economy, no one wants that.

EDIT : I have another question. Are communists willing to work with social-democrats? Obviously neoliberalism and fascism are bigger threats, so wouldnt it make sense to vote for and support social democrats like AOC in USA or Corbyn in UK or Mélenchon in France?

  • ComradeBeana [comrade/them,she/her]
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    4 years ago

    I just wanna point out a few things that I feel aren’t being communicated fully and I get a sense that you are very new to some of these concepts (which is okay! We all start somewhere)

    1. The socially democratic countries you mention (I’m just adding this on top of all the other arguments mentioned against the system in these countries) still get their wealth from exploiting global south countries. Sure there are more social programs that give the people living in these countries better infrastructure and health care but the initial wealth that allowed this to happen comes from the exploitation of land and people. Building wealth from exploitation is bad. (And wealth is usually always built from exploitation)
    1. People vote against communism/socialist leaning programs and people because the imperial core has put trillions of dollars towards making sure voters think “communism” and “socialism” are evil scary words. I mean the sheer levels of money and effort that have gone into weaving anti-communist propaganda into almost every aspect of western culture is staggering. This is why u have people in the US generally supporting the concept of m4a and being fed up with the for profit system, but as soon as it’s framed as being a “socialist” program, they are against it. (As one example)
    1. You also have to think about what “freedom of speech” really means in a country like the US, where the all of the news outlets have an imperialist bias because they are all owned by corporations, and calling out any of America’s wrong doing is silenced. And in countries outside of the US, western media is STILL perpetuating the “land of milk and honey, greatest country ever, so many opportunities here wow!” facade, which if you live here, you know ISNT TRUE, and is harmful propaganda to countries that are trying to stand up to capitalism on very shaky, weak legs. (This is just one example of why the catch-all “freedom of speech” term needs to be constantly reevaluated in terms of its material conditions)