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At the risk of getting banned or flamed, but like, isnt that literally what Cuba and NK do? I already made a thread about this but, like, isnt the entire Cuban and NK economy controlled by the state who manage and plan the economy?
EDIT: I will make a thread asking about this
You're absolutely right that ML states almost always have planned economies, but that's more a tool they use to try to achieve their goals than a defining feature that makes them socialists. States can be socialist without having heavily centrally planned economies and non-socialist states can and often do have heavily centrally planned economies. During the world wars, for example, pretty much participant resorted to a centrally planned "war economy" , but that sure as fuck didn't make them socialist, because those wars and the economy they required were being ran by and for the benefit of the bourgeois and old aristocracy rather than the working class.
Socialist states seizing and excercising power to benefit the working class is often cool, good and what Marxism Leninism is all about but states seizing and exercising power isn't in and of itself a good thing. States like the US ran by and for the benefit of the bourgeois are going to use their state power to benefit the bourgeois and fuck over everyone else.
We usually define socialist governments as governments ran by the working class for the benefit of the working class, in Marx's terms, dictatorships of the proletariat. Other definitions, especially ones that don't frame things in terms of class conflict, are usually something to be suspicious of as they're often trojan horses for fascist or class collaborationist rhetoric.
Hope that helps ❤️
Socialism is when people r nice to each other. Goobermint build many train and post office.
Embrace idealistic utopianism.
Nothing idealistic or utopian about that comment. More like socdem capitalist realism.
I'm gonna pretend this is a bit for the sake of my own mental health.
It's a really good bit.
Who needs “science” and “facts” when socialism is all about attitude :big-cool:
"The idea of liberalism works fine in paper but not in real life."
Honestly seems like a parody to me. I have never seen liberals refer to Marxism as scientific. It completely undermines their conception of themselves as the smartest people in the room.
edit: I also know two people who refer to themselves as democratic socialists. This is basically shorthand for: I'm an imperialist, I love the police, I hate the idea of minorities of any kind having any kind of power at work or at home, but I want universal health care and I think Republicans are super dumb and the Democrats can do no wrong.
One is a local newspaper reporter in his sixties who once spent the entire morning talking about how he wanted to marry Mazie Hirono. The other is this very weird petite bourgeois Gen-X white woman who spends all day posting Neil DeGrasse Tyson memes on her Facebook page.
socialism has shifted to mean slightly left of centre in some areas. I blame people calling everything socialist as an insult
