With Putin talking about the orthodox church being holy and using to justify some conservative bullshit, all I can remember was the bolsheviks going around the country proudly declaring that cities were now "officially godless" and redistributing the church's gold amongst the people and using it to pay for electrification projects.

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    Nah, if is an evolutionary process. The more weird and dickish a religion is the more devoted you can make dedicated follower. The more devoted followers you get the more there is social pressure to become a regular follower.

    The cycle repeats itself till everyone is sexually traumatized and using that guilt and shame to power church efforts.

    More relaxed and chill churches have trouble getting the same energy going so they are outcompeted

      • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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        nah, that is one of the basic forms of general organization. it's in all the basic sociology textbooks. Doesn't matter the kind of organization. There is a specific term for it that I missed back on a quiz back in college so I am not gonna remember it now. Churches just have the added psychodrama about being hyper focused on sex. The same dynamics work if it is a club, a gym, or a plumbing company.

        • sam5673 [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          I was actually arguing with the allegation that the fuel for religion is sexual trauma

            • sam5673 [none/use name]
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              4 years ago

              I think sex and ideas surrounding it is a very small part of most people's religious experience. I would also point out that a core tenet of Christianity is forgiveness both of the self and others. I've been an atheist and I've been a Christian and come from an atheist background and I can honestly say that any sense of shame about sexual desire I may experience definitely comes from my English cultural background and taboos about public expression of emotion

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                And where did they get it from? Places without a history of abrhamic religion tend to be way more chill about sex.

                This take is so wildly a historical I am not even sure where to start. We spend millions of dollars a year on enforcing abstinence education world wide because churches are so enamored with it.many people die from lack of repoductive health because we dont wanna risk them getting abortion, the hayes code, the policing of women every cathlic person, sex workers, like a fifth of all cathloic people through history specifically, lgtbqi persons,..

                • sam5673 [none/use name]
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                  Guy I just told you the reason I find sex weird is that I'm culturally uncomfortable with any public display of vulnerability that's not a Christian thing it's an English thing

                  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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                    Thats true for you. But that isn't most people. Further old pagan english people liked to party.

                    It is chrisendom they got that from and they spread it everywhere they imperized. You can see a clear split kof christian and pre christian norms in most places. And then in places like Egypt where they destoryed all the old sexy art you cant even see the trend