As much as it's memed on, one of the primary contradictions of socialism/communism and command economies built on those principles (USSR) is literally "communism no iPhone". We as workers under bourgeois dictatorship and exploitation can see that it's all a lie, but those living in the USSR genuinely wanted Western consumer goods.
The productive forces of the Soviet states weren't really designed for that sort of consumer production though as they were developed for war and siege. This led to a massive lack of consumer goods and the formation of huge black markets to fulfill the demand that the state couldn't.
China saw this and attempted to solve it by just getting all the western companies to build their consumer goods factories there. Which so far seems to have worked really fucking well...
Marx was fucking wrong about so much lol, especially when it comes to actually running a socialist society against capitalist encirclement. His theories of revolution never panned out, as he saw revolution as starting in the industrialized core and propogating outward (which would have prevented imperial intervention in burgeoning revolution in the colonized world).
Maybe don't treat the writings of a 200 year old theorist who never saw socialism so dogmatically. Also once again, I'm asking ultras to please look at living conditions for once in their lives. Maybe even talk to some fucking working class people or the 95% of Chinese citizens who support the decisions of the Communist party.
I'm in no way a Chinese nationalist lol, I just think their progress has been good and the CCP is still a socialist institution that genuinely is pursuing communist ends. Marxism is important, but Marx was just a man. His writings were descriptive and very predictive, but in no way prescriptive. Marx wrote about capitalism it's development and without his writings, we wouldn't have the language that worked to well to organize the working class and initiate revolutions across the world.
The main reason I don't see China as a failed socialist project is because there are tons of existing failed socialist projects. Most of Eastern Europe, parts of the Middle East, South America, Africa, have revolutions that failed and reverted to capitalism. One commonality in these failed revolutions is a massive reduction in quality of life, wages, lifespan, healthcare, and satisfaction with the government. As well as expansion of violent police state and destruction/privatization of public works. None of which is happening in China.
So either China is a huge outlier in the large list of examples of failed socialism, or they're still following socialist principles in some way.
As much as it's memed on, one of the primary contradictions of socialism/communism and command economies built on those principles (USSR) is literally "communism no iPhone". We as workers under bourgeois dictatorship and exploitation can see that it's all a lie, but those living in the USSR genuinely wanted Western consumer goods.
The productive forces of the Soviet states weren't really designed for that sort of consumer production though as they were developed for war and siege. This led to a massive lack of consumer goods and the formation of huge black markets to fulfill the demand that the state couldn't.
China saw this and attempted to solve it by just getting all the western companies to build their consumer goods factories there. Which so far seems to have worked really fucking well...
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Marx was fucking wrong about so much lol, especially when it comes to actually running a socialist society against capitalist encirclement. His theories of revolution never panned out, as he saw revolution as starting in the industrialized core and propogating outward (which would have prevented imperial intervention in burgeoning revolution in the colonized world).
Maybe don't treat the writings of a 200 year old theorist who never saw socialism so dogmatically. Also once again, I'm asking ultras to please look at living conditions for once in their lives. Maybe even talk to some fucking working class people or the 95% of Chinese citizens who support the decisions of the Communist party.
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I'm in no way a Chinese nationalist lol, I just think their progress has been good and the CCP is still a socialist institution that genuinely is pursuing communist ends. Marxism is important, but Marx was just a man. His writings were descriptive and very predictive, but in no way prescriptive. Marx wrote about capitalism it's development and without his writings, we wouldn't have the language that worked to well to organize the working class and initiate revolutions across the world.
The main reason I don't see China as a failed socialist project is because there are tons of existing failed socialist projects. Most of Eastern Europe, parts of the Middle East, South America, Africa, have revolutions that failed and reverted to capitalism. One commonality in these failed revolutions is a massive reduction in quality of life, wages, lifespan, healthcare, and satisfaction with the government. As well as expansion of violent police state and destruction/privatization of public works. None of which is happening in China.
So either China is a huge outlier in the large list of examples of failed socialism, or they're still following socialist principles in some way.