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  • iridaniotter [she/her]
    hexagon
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    1 year ago

    I've seen vegans disagree on the matter of indigenous diets. I'm not sure what most agree on, but I can say vegans are way more focused on ending animal-eating in the context of industrialized society.

    Not a vegan but we crossed that bridge the moment agriculture was invented. As for animals incapable of moral actions... I have yet to see a vegan seriously propose the end of natural predation. You're fighting ghosts or I'm misunderstanding.

    You can check the r/vegan threads from when that was making the rounds. Plants don't feel pain. Even if they did, you'd cause more beings pain eating meat cause animals eat plants.

    • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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      1 year ago

      I have yet to see a vegan seriously propose the end of natural predation

      This is what they were saying, humans eating animals is natural predation, or at least could be in a deindustrial setting, like wolves eating deer or whatever. Vegans, they were suggesting, believe in a very Eurocentric/Christian way that humans aren't animals when our engagement with them as predators is as natural as predators eating us. As long as you minimize the industrialized suffering, that is, they were envisioning small holder communal farming and hunting as their counterexample.

      • m532 [she/her]
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        1 year ago

        We won't "return to nature" that would be fascist. Humans will not eat "natural" food. Humans eat industrial food. Thinking "but what if they wouldn't" is fictional.

        • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          Okay, that ship has sailed in other words. I think he would just object, he's kinda a Graeber guy, but that makes sense to me. Thanks!

            • Doubledee [comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              Dunno, I told people I was curious and wasn't here to argue, I could argue anyway but I'm trying to engage in a way that encourages folks to respond. shrug-outta-hecks

      • IzyaKatzmann [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        I think you can agree to the idea that humans are not superior to animals in any meaningful capacity and that, like other animals, have their own novel tendencies (like the ability to create food which has no animal involvement, as some worker ants like those of Harpegnathos saltator can turn into queen ants when there is none can be a novel tendency)

    • macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      a vegan seriously propose the end of natural predation

      Brian Tomasik considers it, but he's a wingnut. There is very little literature on wild animal suffering.