Lmao

  • alcoholicorn [comrade/them, doe/deer]
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    3 years ago

    How did this Nalvany guy even get people in the streets?

    As far as I can tell, this dude is less relevant to Russian politics than Buttigig is to American politics, as Buttigig won his mayoral election, Nalvany lost by 40 points.

    • JoesFrackinJack [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I'm quite seriously just guessing here, but with how prevalent the concept of "lesser evils" is, i'd wager a guess and say a big portion consider him slightly less evil. I mean Putin has been around for awhile no doubt, and I'm sure people in Russia are fed up in one way or another and just kinda want "change." idk how much western media is consumed in russia but if it is, I'd imagine that also probably plays something of a factor.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        3 years ago

        i’d wager a guess and say a big portion consider him slightly less evil

        I remember, some twenty or thirty years ago, when Yeltsin was considered the "lesser evil". Yeltsin's protege was a young mayor from St. Petersburg named Vladmir Putin.

        This isn't a more/less evil situation. It's a "my asshole" or "your asshole" situation. Putin isn't toeing the American line like he promised, when he and Bush Jr broke bread at the turn of the 21st century. So now Americans think he's got to go.

        I’m sure people in Russia are fed up in one way or another and just kinda want “change.”

        Putin's done a good job of keeping his opposition fractured and at each others' throats. But he's also shamelessly pandered to a sizable base of Russian nationalists who like him for the same reason Americans like Biden. They don't want change. They want stability and growth, minus the threat of scary foreigners. Putin brings that in spades. For all the shit people like to fling around about neoliberalism being when the US does an imperialism, Putin is the model of a Russian neoliberal and popular for that very reason. He's just not allied with Americans in his neoliberalism, and so we try to replace him with a stooge just like we tried to replace Gorbachev.

    • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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      3 years ago

      He's big on the russian internet and social media as a anti-Putin guy. Makes slick videos with american NGO money, that sort of thing. People were surprised he was allowed to run for mayor at all, even though he ate shit, so that's where he got is 'activist cred.' He's not really that popular though outside of the internet, but now he's basically the face of the "illegal opposition" in Russia (I use that very losely, it's not really a organized group just hardcore anti putin people). He's more of a focal point for most protesters than a leader or anything. Most russians probably think he's stupid for working with the Americans.

    • Sephitard9001 [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I mean you answered your own question lmao. Look at how vapid and empty and manufactured Buttigieg was. Look at how popular and how far he got with that totally blank and robotic performance. The media jerking you off nonstop can get you faaarrrrr in life

      • alcoholicorn [comrade/them, doe/deer]
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        3 years ago

        Look at how vapid and empty and manufactured Buttigieg was. Look at how popular and how far he got with that totally blank and robotic performance.

        That's my point, could you imagine someone fighting the cops and burning shit down for Pete Buttigieg?

    • an_engel_on_earth [he/him, they/them]
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      3 years ago

      Navalny has cleaned up his image quite well in the last few years (ofc he privately is most definitely still a nazi) and mostly runs as a liberal, which appeals to young ppl in the big cities. Plus he kinda puts his money where his mouth is, at least from a certain point of view. He made these very slick investigations exposing government corruption and whatnot. In a political landscape as desolate as Russia's, how can you expect ppl not to be drawn to somebody who is voicing your concerns and doing it in a format sutied to the internet age?

      Buttigig won his mayoral election, Nalvany lost by 40 points

      He lost by about 30 points, but its actually what he expected and that is actually a better result than a non-United Russia candidate had gotten up to that point. Plus turnout was pretty low, like 30%. Most of his supporters didnt show up, plus it was 2013, he didnt rly have the base he has now.