You know, as a July user, I will admit to at times having my disagreements, yet holding my tongue due to at the time apparently ban-happy moderation. There may be a slight amount of survivor bias going on here. Those who were here a long while and got loud got banned, those of us who mostly sat on the sidelines and waited for the memes to flow again or took moderation's side stuck around. But I've largely come to trust the team and their approach through all the garbage, and tbh if @Fakename_Bill is still around (and modded no less!) then I'm rather confident at this point the admins can handle reasonable dissent.
Boy did the growing pains hurt, but we seem to have reached a better baseline as of late.
Yes I do think that is a large part of it - but that would seem to undermine the OP meme. 1 day old accounts might be those of older users with legitimate grievances, but they've already been banned from their main due to airing those very same grievances. Or, they might be alts of more established accounts trying to express their dissatisfaction but afraid of retaliation. I sort of think it would be appropriate to have a community ombudsman, someone nominated to adjudicate and provide an outside perspective for those kinds of disagreements b/t mods and users. Fakename_Bill has almost de facto played that role anyway, so they're who I would nominate if ever such a suggestion was implemented.
As easy as it is to make a new account, I happen to like my account name/history, so I've largely chosen not to speak out during controversy even though I still disagree with some of the decisions that were made/way things are handled. I like to go back and re-read old comments, both my own and the people I'm replying to, and see how my perspective has changed or been reinforced. I've grown and learned a lot the last few years so it's a useful tool for me to reinforce lessons. That's part of what was crushing for me when the original sub was banned. So many comments and conversations of growth lost to me. I'd be pretty bummed to lose all that again on here over some petty mod argument, so I just... Don't express my opinion on certain issues.
I'd imagine some of the older accounts made a similar decision, and others yet just so happened to always align with the admins/mods anyway. That's a stability of a certain kind, but it's not exactly a good faith open dialogue. I'll admit that hoping for such is probably hoping for too much anyway, but I don't think we can necessarily look at all critique from newer accounts and automatically assume wrecking. There's lots of reasons, good and bad, that you don't see critique from older accounts is I suppose my point.
You know, as a July user, I will admit to at times having my disagreements, yet holding my tongue due to at the time apparently ban-happy moderation. There may be a slight amount of survivor bias going on here. Those who were here a long while and got loud got banned, those of us who mostly sat on the sidelines and waited for the memes to flow again or took moderation's side stuck around. But I've largely come to trust the team and their approach through all the garbage, and tbh if @Fakename_Bill is still around (and modded no less!) then I'm rather confident at this point the admins can handle reasonable dissent.
Boy did the growing pains hurt, but we seem to have reached a better baseline as of late.
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Yes I do think that is a large part of it - but that would seem to undermine the OP meme. 1 day old accounts might be those of older users with legitimate grievances, but they've already been banned from their main due to airing those very same grievances. Or, they might be alts of more established accounts trying to express their dissatisfaction but afraid of retaliation. I sort of think it would be appropriate to have a community ombudsman, someone nominated to adjudicate and provide an outside perspective for those kinds of disagreements b/t mods and users. Fakename_Bill has almost de facto played that role anyway, so they're who I would nominate if ever such a suggestion was implemented.
As easy as it is to make a new account, I happen to like my account name/history, so I've largely chosen not to speak out during controversy even though I still disagree with some of the decisions that were made/way things are handled. I like to go back and re-read old comments, both my own and the people I'm replying to, and see how my perspective has changed or been reinforced. I've grown and learned a lot the last few years so it's a useful tool for me to reinforce lessons. That's part of what was crushing for me when the original sub was banned. So many comments and conversations of growth lost to me. I'd be pretty bummed to lose all that again on here over some petty mod argument, so I just... Don't express my opinion on certain issues.
I'd imagine some of the older accounts made a similar decision, and others yet just so happened to always align with the admins/mods anyway. That's a stability of a certain kind, but it's not exactly a good faith open dialogue. I'll admit that hoping for such is probably hoping for too much anyway, but I don't think we can necessarily look at all critique from newer accounts and automatically assume wrecking. There's lots of reasons, good and bad, that you don't see critique from older accounts is I suppose my point.
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After enough bans, you just stop talking about it. :sadness:
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I fuck with cookies dude