I don't have all the links I had saved on reddit anymore so I'm trying to get ahead of the next struggle session and I think it would be beneficial for everybody if we planned it out ahead of time. We should at least figure out what it will be about and when it should start. Any ideas? I was thinking we should do something a little bit different than the usual.

    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Just that if you had a choice, you wouldn’t do it.

      For what reason? They aren't people, the same morality doesn't apply.

        • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Basically, yeah. Though "sapient" is probably the better term to use than "human".

            • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              I don't care. That's the point. If it isn't sapient I don't care.

                • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  It's arbitrary, and idc that it is. We should probably leave dolphins alone, since they are on the line, but cows, pigs, chickens, nope.

                    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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                      4 years ago

                      somehow the animals that are already factory farmed don’t aren’t worth caring about. Pretty convenient, right?

                      Almost like people before us have had a chance to think about the sapience of animals for a long time, and have decided which are ok to farm. And I don't disagree with the choices they've made.

                      You aren’t convincing anybody but yourself that there’s good reason to not extend compassion for animals.

                      I'm not trying to, I'm saying the "compassion" argument is bullshit because I think it's bullshit. I care much more about the environmental argument, which is why I made a post with more effort about it as compared to the offhand comment I originally made for this thread.

                        • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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                          4 years ago

                          I didn't say culture or tradition. I said the ethics have been decided by people before us, and that I don't disagree with those ethics. I recognize that existing ethics that I disagree with need to be changed. But this is not one I disagree with.

                          That's why "conveniently" the animals being factory farmed are the ones that are ok to farm.

                          Still waiting on a response about the EPA source. Like I said, I don't actually care about the ethical argument.

            • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              None of this makes animals sapient. No shit they have some level of conscious. You have to decide a cutoff somewhere, we disagree as to where that is.