Their dlc's have always been overpriced, but there hasn't been one that actually broke the game in years.

Well... Eu4's newest expansion, "Leviathan", has actually broken the game, it is actually unplayable. And the worst part? Even if you don't have the DLC, you're still screwed because the free patch that came with the DLC also breaks the game.

Oh, and also this dlc is 20$.

So please shit on paradox interactive in this thread.

  • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    WHY DOESN'T NAZI GERMANY HAVE THE NAZI FLAG PARADOX?

    WHY AREN'T DISCUSSIONS OR DEPICTIONS OF NAZI ATROCITY ALLOWED ON YOUR FORUMS PARADOX?

    COULD IT BE YOU KNOWINGLY CULTIVATE A FASCIST FANBASE FOR YOUR GAMES?

    • NotARobot [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      The first one is excusable imo because they want to sell their game in germany but the second is basically just historical revisionism when they have events for the bengal famine and the great purge is literally a game mechanic.

        • Vncredleader
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          4 years ago

          Yeah, though I sorta was happy to see that, even if they don't make it clear while playing how bad the civil war will be if you let a few waves of purges off. I'd maybe have risked it otherwise.

          • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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            4 years ago

            I mean, if you want to keep both Rokossovsky and Tukhachevsky, a “little” civil war doesn’t seem that bad.

            If they really wanted to be consistent, they would have just given a few debuffs at most if you don’t do any purging.

    • eduardog3000 [he/him]
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      edit-2
      4 years ago

      Couldn't both of those things attract a fascist fanbase? They'd love to play a game that lets Nazi Germany have a swastika.

      • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        it sanitizes it for normal players and the game is clearly intended for people to play germany. not allowing discussion and mods is enlightened centrist bullshit cuz paradox would alienate fascist players if they were forced to moderate it in a decent way

      • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
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        4 years ago

        The TNO mod shows perfectly well that you could show Nazi Germany in all of its ugliness without having a sizeable Nazi fanbase. Then again, TNO is quite a bit different in both tone and formula from vanilla.

    • RandyLahey [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      I used to read the paradox forums in HoI2 days, and all the paradox forums had their After Action Reports where people would make sort-of novelised stories out of their campaigns from the perspectives of the higher-ups in the countries (I'm sure they still do). They were dorky but harmless except half the hoi ones were these stories from their german campaigns where they had Goering and Himmler etc chatting as the protagonists, it was really fucking creepy. I kinda sorta understand why Germany was kinda their default “can you change the course of history?” campaign (though of course this raises broader questions about how fundamentally psychopathic the inbuilt "default" way of playing most strategy games is), but it always felt way too gross for me to ever play as them, and the people going further and doing fash cosplay before it was cool were suuuuuuper fucking sketchy.

      • LeninWalksTheWorld [any]
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        4 years ago

        I've read a couple of those AARs you are talking about back in the day, and while I'm sure you have your hitler fanboy stories that are garbage and trash writing anyway, many history grognards like myself just find perverse enjoyment in imagining general staff conversations between famous/infamous historical figures. I've written similar AARs for the USSR where its just Marshal Zhukov eating a sandwich and complaining about ammunition shortages. The good German AARs still acknowledge the horrors of war and Nazism, even if paradox rules mean you can't ever discuss them directly. I personally also don't like playing Nazi Germany, it feels way better to stomp them as someone else (especially USSR)

        • RandyLahey [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          Oh yeah I totally get the grognard appeal of these things, but from memory the german ones I read all seemed rather too excited about their protagonists (I remember that the better ones had a mod or whatever where the nazis were overthrown and there were aggressive-but-totally-not-actual-nazis running germany)

          My thoughts are also coloured by the time when I made fun of Himmler on one of the HoI forums for being such a massive loser, and this whole gang of people leapt to his defense and dogpiled on me with shit about how at least he made something of himself and ran a whole government agency, while I of course just sit in my mums basement... it was pretty disconcerting back in the day, before being openly fash was cool

        • Vncredleader
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          4 years ago

          John French and Haig after the Battle of Loos blaming each other, but then they start kissing.......

    • redthebaron [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      fun fact: paradox forums were the first place i ever had contact with actual nazis on the internet as a teen because that fucking place is a cesspol

    • read_freire [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      Shoutout that time they added space communism to stellaris and triggered the shit out of their fash fanbase tho

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        4 years ago

        Just got Stellaris, and it's a perfectly cromulant 4x. But I don't play a ton of Paradox games. I've always been a Blizzard guy.