It all started with about 1200s into total war: Warhammer 2, which got me into watching Total war: Warhammer streams, got me to start mixing warhammer lore into my D & D games, then I started playing Vermintide 2 and loved it, to listening to the Gotrek and Felix audio books. It would seem that I haved transformed into a bit of a Warhammer fancomrade. When I was a kid I was always into warhammer minis, but I never had the money to get enough to put together an army and ended up using them mostly as minis for when we switched from AD&D 2nd edition to the more mini focused 3rd edition, but now with my renewed interest in the lore and universe, I have been playing with the idea of getting into it a bit more seriously and putting an actual army together and playing. First, since I am more familiar with the fantasy universe, I was looking into Age of Sigmar, but I just wasn't quite happy with it. One of my favorite factions are Druchii and I wasn't really happy with the options for that. I have been looking now at 40k more and I am starting to settle in on the idea of Chaos Space Marines.

All this history aside, I have a few questions about what is involved in getting into this sport.

  1. What all would I need to get started? The rulebook and the relavent codex/ices? One of the starter sets?

  2. How many miniatures would I need to be able to play a reasonable battle? If I got the starter set how much would I need to add to that or would that be a reasonable way to start to learn the rules?

  3. What are good resources for learning to paint them nicely?

  4. Does anyone have any good tips on how to get started on DIY terrain? I think in the country side and was thinking about collecting moss and shit.

  5. Any other tips, tricks or pitfalls?

I don't know if anyone in the community even plays this game, but I thought I was throw it out there.

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    4 years ago

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  • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    Honestly, don't get models for large scale battling because this version imo is absolute garbage. Really a 'whomever goes first wins about 70 percent of the time deal in this meta, though it depends on the objectives involved... Personally, I believe Killteam (Squad based combat)(5-20 models depending on the race/faction you prefer) is a better use of your time and money if you are looking to use the battle system.

    However, there are two caveats. The models are pretty dope and if you like that worth looking into AND you can replicate most stuff in 40k on table top simulator if you really want to screw around with massive armies.

    I am generally obsessed with the lore, specifically the soap opera with big emotional men that is the 30k Horus Heresy novels. They can be hit or miss writing wise but the ones that hit are fantastic and the story as a whole is very compelling and while it sometimes goes over the fanbases head, a great take on the failures of nepotism and dictatorial power.

    • Chomsky [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      This is interesting because large scale battles seem pretty out of reach right now anyway and I was curious if small scale was worth it let alone a better option.

  • bottech [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    I dont really know much about warhammer though i know there is a leftist warhammer subreddit

    reddit.com/r/sigmarxism

    • Chomsky [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Interesting idea. Where did you buy? Online or a local game store? I live in the middle of nowhere, but there is a gaming store about 2 hours away.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        You can find really good deals if you're in a populated area. My friend got a full 5000 point Thousand Sons army for a couple of hundred. amazing paintjob if a bit outdated in the models. Turned out it was a Golden Daemon winner from 2nd Edition.

      • RedCoat [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        I got all mine from ebay back in the day, if you are patent enough for paint stripping its a good way to get cheap minis

  • Rateatsbody [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Chaos owns, good first pick. Look into Kill Team! It's 40k but on a skirmish scale with small teams of little more than 10 models. This would be best if you dont want to buy a whole army, in fact just buying a start collecting would give you more than enough for kill team. Try to liberate some rulebooks from GW, or just buy a physical copy of Kill Team rules if you like that. As for terrain, get nutty with it. I used to use old VHS tapes for walls and hills, but making terrain from styrofoam and cardboard boxes is what my friend does.

  • Eris235 [undecided]
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    4 years ago

    I will also say, if you feel like messing around, Warhammer is pretty playable on virtual tabletops. Its not quite the same as playing with mini's IRL, but despite having a physical army, I've played quite a few virtual games with my friends, just to try out new armies, other editions, or to use some of those stupid expensive giant mech models. I've used mostly Tabletop simulator for this, as there are pretty decent mods with models loaded in, but even something 2d like roll20 can work, though you have to rule-of-thumb terrain height.

    Regardless, you'll need the core rulebook for the edition you want, plus the codex/armybook for the faction you want to play. Strongly recommend a army builder; I use Battlescribe, though there are other options. Besides the fact that the army builders make some army requirements clearer, I also really like the cheat sheet of unit stats they generate at the end, so you're not jumping around in your book. Also, the models are expensive, so you do want to start small. The starter sets are a pretty good value, though they usually have a small team from 2 different factions, so the best value is if you want both factions, or if you have a friend that'd be interesting in splitting it with you.

    Let me know if you need any tips/advice about specifics, or where to find pdfs. I've played Warhammer Fantasy 7th ed the most, but I've messed around a lot of 40k, as well as some other editions and versions.

    • Chomsky [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      I use foundry vtt mostly. I have actually thought about doing this.

  • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Not a wargamer, but I like doing minis and terrain for D&D

    Good painting focused YouTube channels:

    Goobertown Hobbies

    Midwinter Minis does a lot of easy speedpainting tutorials he also has a good how to play and some battle reports

    Miniac

    Lyla Mev

    Broadsword Wargaming

    There's tons of other beginner videos out there on painting, including official Games Workshop tutorial.

    Terrain tutorials and builds:

    Black Magic Craft Hestarted out mostly doing D&D focused stuff, but recently got into 40k, and is building some plague marines.

    Miscast

    Wyloch's Armory makes a ton of stuff for D&D and Warhammer

    Geek Gaming Scenics

    Also I'll go really off the rails with a recommendation. If you try 40K and like it, but you don't see yourself playing at a stores in sanctioned play a lot, and just want to play with friends, look into resin 3D printing. You can keep printing armies for a long time and though the cost of entry is high and it can be a lot of work, you will save a lot in the long run vs GW prices. But used models on Facebook marketplace or Craigslist are good ideas.

    Also if you don't want to buy books, but want to dip your toe in, check out Grimdark Future by One Page Rules, which is meant to be a faster and lightweight version of 40k that you can play with any minis you want.

      • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Not an expert at this part, since there's some dubious IP issues with trying to get models around GW's copyrights. MyMinifactory is a big website for printable models, as is thingiverse, but I think a lot of the Warhammer stuff is elsewhere. If you check out the printedminis subreddit, there are a lot of good looking fully printed warhammer armies there. Not sure where people obtain the files exactly, but you could ask around.

        Do your research, though. There's a lot of stuff involved in resin printing, so it's not for everyone. I have one, so I can answer some questions.

  • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    You like crafting? Between 3D printing, kitbashing, and llastic craft there are a bunch of super cool art projext parts of the game beyond the actual tactical game itself.

    I think they are still updating goonhammer as a good resource for non-chud players.

  • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Does anyone have any good tips on how to get started on DIY terrain? I think in the country side and was thinking about collecting moss and shit.

    Plaster mixed with elmers glue and a cheap acrylic paint from a craft store (you want the shitty, super coarse kind that's a big bottle for like a dollar or two for this, not the smooth high-pigment sorts you want to paint actual models with) makes pretty decent dirt or mud. You can make pretty decent scale model sandbags with a scrap of old denim to texture bits of polymer clay (I recommend super sculpey in general because it's easy to work and tends to keep its shape and details very well) or a slow-curing resin like kneadatite (commonly called "green stuff" in the warhammer community and sold under that name by Games Workshop, though you can get it cheaper from other manufacturers) with. If you need something to be bulkier, use balled up aluminum foil if it has to be baked (so if you were making something like earthworks with polymer clay sandbags) or styrofoam if it doesn't. Sheets of balsa wood are decent for making anything that needs to look like wood, and are easy to cut into shape; soaking them in a solution of elmers glue and water and then letting them dry can make them a bit more resilient too. Get some cheap sheets of wood from a craft store for the bases of terrain, and cut them to the size and shape you need.

    Any other tips, tricks or pitfalls?

    Don't buy Games Workshop paints, and instead look for well-reviewed high-pigment acrylics at a cheaper price point; the last time I was looking at this you could get very good paints for a little less per bottle but each bottle had twice as much paint as the GW ones. Thin your paints is a meme, but it's also true. Lookup how to do washes and drybrushing, and get a cheap brush or two from a craft store for drybrushing because it will absolutely fuck up whatever brush you use and make it useless for anything but drybrushing. Brace your hands together when painting a miniature, to make sure that it's as steady as possible and all that you're moving are your fingers.

    I can't comment on any of the other questions because I haven't looked at WH40K in years and in fact I'm not even sure what edition it's up to now. It introduced me to sculpting through kitbashing miniatures with kneadatite, and I moved on from there to doing scratchbuilds and just stopped caring about the game and more about making my own custom models for display.

    • DirtbagVegan [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Vallejo model color and game color acrylics are really good value and I've found them to have the consistently best quality. Army Painter is really cheap, but their quality is very mixed.

      • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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        4 years ago

        Vallejo model color and game color acrylics are really good value

        That's the one I always saw recommended but I couldn't remember the name, thanks.

    • Chomsky [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      Combat patrol seems like a good option. I liked the idea of kill team, but I had hoped to start with chaos space marines and the core rules only allow for two units and then you have to get into getting expansions for commanders and elites, and I thought, while cool looking, the books were already starting to add up. It is still something I am interested in though.

      The indomitus one looks like way more involved than I want to start out. I think that would be great if I were looking to get into this with my son, but he is two and a half, one day... I figure the start collecting box will last me at least a few weeks of night shifts if I take my time(part of the reason I want to get into this is I do night shifts from 11-7 and there is really very little to do). and then from there I am, so far pretty effectively, trying to sell the idea to my friend to also get a start collecting box and then we would probably start out pretty casually just messing around with free form combat patrol stuff and if we are into it maybe start getting things on a squad by squad, unit by unit basis.

      Thanks for another very detailed response by the way, I wasn't expecting this level of detailed information from people and I really appreciate it.

  • hopelesscomrade [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    You can always get a start collecting sets or the kill team board game. The starter sets always have the best deals, but look forward to dropping 100-200 on a set and paints. GW's citadel paints can run for like 7 dollars a pot. Army painter runs for like 4 per pot and there are resources online for matching paints. I do a lot of dnd mininutures, so I also bought Nolzur's marvelous pigments. It like 100, but has a paint for about every color if you want to customize your army. Don't get craft Paints. They are cheaper, but the quality is so much better. Otherwise just get like 8 or so pots for your army's color and highlights

    Tips. Just watch videos on youtube. I got into that for a while. The warhammer youtube channel is has tutorials on a lot of models, though if you follow their paint schemes prepare to drop a ton on high lights.

    I could keep going, but another guy has already listed a bunch of good channels. I'm more of a dnd guy, but I do have some experience painting Imperial guard if you have any questions on them.

    On final thing. Your first paint job are gonna look like shit. Everyone first minis look like shit. As long as you are having fun, don't worry about it. It can be intimidating spending so much on minitures, but just go for it. Some people say practice on army men first, but your not gonna learn to paint the details until you get to the real deal. The more important thing is to have fun. Good luck.

    • Chomsky [comrade/them]
      hexagon
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      4 years ago

      To be honest, I hadn't even thought about 3d printing, but someone mentioned it and now I am sort of more interested in that idea, but I don't even know where to start in terms of what would be a reasonable printer and where I would get plans for things and so on.

      Aside from that, painting, collecting and actually playing the game are what interest me. Building terrain seems like it could be pretty fun too.

      • FidelCashflow [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        For 3D printers you would be looking at the eligoo mars if you want to print minis or the ender creativity if you want to print vehicles and terrain, and othet stuff.

        Those are the entry versions of the diffrent techs that are avaiable. Plus. I am sure at least a few of us here got one st the begining of quarentine and never really used it.

        Models are readiliy avaible online. On thing a verse there are multiple diffrent "space hero" sets available.

        If you just want to play tabletop sinulator is good. As well as another one that just lets you play online but I forgot what the other one was. When restriction lifts your local gameshop might have closed or be full of chuds so it might be the best option for you anyway