I was talking about putting Europe on a pedestal and assuming the rest of the world must follow its path in history, or otherwise label them as something alien to “regular” humanity or whatever. But okay, cool, there’s trends and charts and other Steven Pinker bullshit. I’m not interested in that kinda dogmatism informing my understanding of the world though.
What are you talking about, this is historically documented for decades if not centuries, and in fact anticipated and correctly predicted by countless theorists. And again, it's not just Europe. I don't know why you keep bringing up Europe. East Asia is less religious than Europe. China is much less religious than Europe.
Why do you handwave at India and Africa though?
Because they're not even close to developed??? Like, that's kind of the whole argument, did you just miss that???
Also no. Religion is not in slow decline. It is in very, very rapid decline, except for countries which are not developed yet, and which have high birth rates (although even that is expected to level out in the coming decades), so yeah, as an aggregate, decline is slow. It is not unclear what the overall tendency is however. If you wanna dismiss it as "Steven Pinker shit" whatever, I don't care.
I don't know why you're now trying to spin my argument as "religion already doesn't exist" or "religion already isn't important everywhere".
You can’t just simply solve the social problems there by waiting for everyone to realize god is dead.
Which no one ever said. And I don't even know why it has to enter the conversation. Are you planning to solve the problems Cameroon is facing? The reality is that neither you nor anyone here unless they live in Cameroon can do anything much for Cameroon's problems, not now and possibly not ever. But like 90% of this place comes from the US and the rest are mostly from developed nations where religion is in sharp decline.
so all we need to do is just need to wait all this out for -70 years or so apparently
What does "waiting" have to do with it? It's a historical process, it doesn't care how much you want to wait or whatever. That's not the argument. I am telling you that abolition of religion is completely different from abolition of art, and it's probably gonna largely happen eventually regardless of what socialists do. It's not some shaky pie in the sky hypothetical, it's not dogmatism, it's very well documented and well studied by now. History is not a bunch of random shit happening, neither is it a flat circle.
What are you talking about, this is historically documented for decades if not centuries, and in fact anticipated and correctly predicted by countless theorists. And again, it's not just Europe. I don't know why you keep bringing up Europe. East Asia is less religious than Europe. China is much less religious than Europe.
Because they're not even close to developed??? Like, that's kind of the whole argument, did you just miss that???
Also no. Religion is not in slow decline. It is in very, very rapid decline, except for countries which are not developed yet, and which have high birth rates (although even that is expected to level out in the coming decades), so yeah, as an aggregate, decline is slow. It is not unclear what the overall tendency is however. If you wanna dismiss it as "Steven Pinker shit" whatever, I don't care.
I don't know why you're now trying to spin my argument as "religion already doesn't exist" or "religion already isn't important everywhere".
Which no one ever said. And I don't even know why it has to enter the conversation. Are you planning to solve the problems Cameroon is facing? The reality is that neither you nor anyone here unless they live in Cameroon can do anything much for Cameroon's problems, not now and possibly not ever. But like 90% of this place comes from the US and the rest are mostly from developed nations where religion is in sharp decline.
What does "waiting" have to do with it? It's a historical process, it doesn't care how much you want to wait or whatever. That's not the argument. I am telling you that abolition of religion is completely different from abolition of art, and it's probably gonna largely happen eventually regardless of what socialists do. It's not some shaky pie in the sky hypothetical, it's not dogmatism, it's very well documented and well studied by now. History is not a bunch of random shit happening, neither is it a flat circle.
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Yeah not making up shit about what people are saying is so reddit.
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