Much like bloombutts banned big gulp sodas cups because you deserve to be punished as an individual for making choices instead of addressing the root material problem, O'Bidet is banning memethols because kids and black people cant be trusted to make big kid choices instead of addressing the root material problem of why people start smoking
You can't really talk about "big kid choices" given how addictive nicotine is, how cigarettes are marketed to actual kids, and affects on others (like secondhand smoke). Yeah, paternalism is bad, and yeah, individuals should have wide latitude about what to do to their own bodies, but this isn't sober 35-year-olds making rational choices with full access to all relevant information. Believing anything along those lines is just buying into free market mythology. We shouldn't ban smoking altogether, and we shouldn't try to reduce consumption in ways that just end up taxing poor people, but we should be looking for ways to reduce consumption, or at least move the decision to consume closer to an informed decision.
And obviously they should be addressing the root causes of why people start smoking, too, but an ideal solution would treat the root causes and existing symptoms.
Addiction is a choice ackshually. People scrambling to dunk on Biden by defending market principles and framing destructive industries as being governed by rational consumerism. Makes total sense.
Tfw people whom are subjugated by Capital to toil away til their bodies and minds decay from alienation and overwork should be punished for pursuing vices to bring respite from their suffering instead of working to shatter the conditions that drive them to adopt such vices in the first place.
fam I honestly don't ever recall being banned anywhere except from r/politics, /fuckthealtright, /contrapoints, and other minor subs.
I do recall getting :bonk: on main (WHEN WE HAD ONE!) here for bringing out too much of the sectarian shitlord bit when we were sorting out the "No sectarianism" struggle session last year
Communism is when people can buy menthols. And communists defend the interests of tobacco corporations. This is basic communism. Also two things can't be bad at once. A corporate model that exists by addicting people and giving them cancer cannot be bad at the same time as capitalism.
i'm defending people's right to consume whatever the fuck they want. prohibition is bullshit. you should really educate yourself more on the history of prohibition, and then you probably wouldn't be defending it.
everyone knows smoking is bad for them, if they want to continue to do so they should be allowed. it's personal consumption.
People here are really fucking' defending American-sized soda while also saying "address the root problem" as if being able to buy a litre of unhealthy soda for immediate personal consumption is anything people need and not part of the problem. I fucking hate how stupid this site is sometimes.
Much like bloombutts banned big gulp sodas cups because you deserve to be punished as an individual for making choices instead of addressing the root material problem, O'Bidet is banning memethols because kids and black people cant be trusted to make big kid choices instead of addressing the root material problem of why people start smoking
:cringe:
You can't really talk about "big kid choices" given how addictive nicotine is, how cigarettes are marketed to actual kids, and affects on others (like secondhand smoke). Yeah, paternalism is bad, and yeah, individuals should have wide latitude about what to do to their own bodies, but this isn't sober 35-year-olds making rational choices with full access to all relevant information. Believing anything along those lines is just buying into free market mythology. We shouldn't ban smoking altogether, and we shouldn't try to reduce consumption in ways that just end up taxing poor people, but we should be looking for ways to reduce consumption, or at least move the decision to consume closer to an informed decision.
And obviously they should be addressing the root causes of why people start smoking, too, but an ideal solution would treat the root causes and existing symptoms.
Did you really just reply just to reiterate what I said?
Read what I wrote, you tell me.
Lets see, whinging about making fun about Bloomberg and biden's names, then a whole bunch of fluff that repeats what I said.
:PIGPOOPBALLS:
:LIB:
Friends, friends, you're both liberals. No need to argue
okay, I'll compromise in agreement to this.
Not jumping in on the argument in general but yeah, changing ghouls' names like that is definitely lib shit.
no that's chud shit get it straight ya lib
This has been a Chapo bit for ages.
Copmala, :top-cop: , Liz the Snake :warren-snake-green: , and Pete the rat :pete:
We do it because it's funny.
Addiction is a choice ackshually. People scrambling to dunk on Biden by defending market principles and framing destructive industries as being governed by rational consumerism. Makes total sense.
Tfw people whom are subjugated by Capital to toil away til their bodies and minds decay from alienation and overwork should be punished for pursuing vices to bring respite from their suffering instead of working to shatter the conditions that drive them to adopt such vices in the first place.
Fuck off with your liberalism
Yep, the opiate of the people in 2021 are actual opiates.
They were in 1840 too, just mostly in China
i'm proud my first post was protesting your ban.
I was banned?
it was long ago, in the before time.
fam I honestly don't ever recall being banned anywhere except from r/politics, /fuckthealtright, /contrapoints, and other minor subs.
I do recall getting :bonk: on main (WHEN WE HAD ONE!) here for bringing out too much of the sectarian shitlord bit when we were sorting out the "No sectarianism" struggle session last year
yes, the before time. long long ago
ah yes, I see.
Thank you for your service :rat-salute:
Communism is when people can buy menthols. And communists defend the interests of tobacco corporations. This is basic communism. Also two things can't be bad at once. A corporate model that exists by addicting people and giving them cancer cannot be bad at the same time as capitalism.
are you really defending prohibition?
Are you really defending cigarette companies?
i'm defending people's right to consume whatever the fuck they want. prohibition is bullshit. you should really educate yourself more on the history of prohibition, and then you probably wouldn't be defending it.
everyone knows smoking is bad for them, if they want to continue to do so they should be allowed. it's personal consumption.
So your concerns are with consumer choice? More choice = more freedom!
my concerns are with prohibition. you're the only one trying to put words in other people's mouths.
I never said ban all cigarettes. So great work.
you just come off like a smug douche when you applaud the federal government for prohibiting something that people enjoy.
there are a million things that will kill you. a lot of them are enjoyable in the meantime.
i bet you thought banning transfat was a great idea.
Trying so hard to dunk on libs that you just become unthinkingly contrarian is a persistent problem here.
People here are really fucking' defending American-sized soda while also saying "address the root problem" as if being able to buy a litre of unhealthy soda for immediate personal consumption is anything people need and not part of the problem. I fucking hate how stupid this site is sometimes.