… yeah, but then the Dulles brothers literally became the most powerful men in America during the Eisenhower presidency, and ruled American foreign policy for almost a decade outright, not even from the shadows anymore.
So the efforts of FDR and his allies was not enough to keep the Nazis and anti-communists from gaining control of the USA.
And then creating NATO using former Nazi generals and officials, formed illicit organisations in Europe to kill communists, commit terrorist acts and coups, murdered millions of people in Asia and the Americas etc.
events a decade after ww2 are not admissible for talking about what the US was going to do in ww2? i'll never contend the former nazis didn't "win the peace" and the mccarthyites became very important,
but you need to contend with where these people were at the time, and how far their ideas for the war were (not) implemented in reality.
Decades? They saved a bunch of Nazis from Nuremberg. The formation of NATO and the state apparatus of west Germany happened just a couple of years after WW2 ended. The stay behind orgs were formed DURING WW2…
Agreed the timeline is shorter than decades. Perhaps the earliest significant shift was with FDR’s replacement by Truman, who also replaced the Secretary of State with someone more anticommunist.
If you really try to see the big picture of the history of power in the US, the Nazis and fascists really ruled for the vast majority of it.
From the genocide of native Americans, to slavery and racial segregation. The overexploitation of immigrants, the extreme caste system of races etc.
Arguably only for a couple of decades around the turn of the 20th century and around WW2 that more progressive, or even leftist, factions managed to gain any power. And truly only during less than 10 years around WW2 that they actually had any real power.
… yeah, but then the Dulles brothers literally became the most powerful men in America during the Eisenhower presidency, and ruled American foreign policy for almost a decade outright, not even from the shadows anymore.
So the efforts of FDR and his allies was not enough to keep the Nazis and anti-communists from gaining control of the USA.
And then creating NATO using former Nazi generals and officials, formed illicit organisations in Europe to kill communists, commit terrorist acts and coups, murdered millions of people in Asia and the Americas etc.
So good job FDR, you won, for what 8-10 years?
events a decade after ww2 are not admissible for talking about what the US was going to do in ww2? i'll never contend the former nazis didn't "win the peace" and the mccarthyites became very important,
but you need to contend with where these people were at the time, and how far their ideas for the war were (not) implemented in reality.
Decades? They saved a bunch of Nazis from Nuremberg. The formation of NATO and the state apparatus of west Germany happened just a couple of years after WW2 ended. The stay behind orgs were formed DURING WW2…
Agreed the timeline is shorter than decades. Perhaps the earliest significant shift was with FDR’s replacement by Truman, who also replaced the Secretary of State with someone more anticommunist.
If you really try to see the big picture of the history of power in the US, the Nazis and fascists really ruled for the vast majority of it.
From the genocide of native Americans, to slavery and racial segregation. The overexploitation of immigrants, the extreme caste system of races etc.
Arguably only for a couple of decades around the turn of the 20th century and around WW2 that more progressive, or even leftist, factions managed to gain any power. And truly only during less than 10 years around WW2 that they actually had any real power.