Living in Germany truly has felt surreal this past week. I guess I just never had to know how propaganda felt. Of course, there always were apparent biases or dominant media narratives. But I always thought "at least it's not as bad as fox news". I'm not so sure anymore. Maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but I didn't experience the "falling in line" to be that complete. And that includes all the prominent dissenting voices, totally in line now.

  • DerEwigeAtheist [she/her, comrade/them]
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    3 years ago

    Lol. I did not realize how strong the pro-israel sentiment is in germany, and was wondering why i got so much shit from my lib friends for calling gaza an open-air prison and saying israel has no right to exist as a jewish state.

    • Invidiarum [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      I don't remember it being that strong, (I thought 2018 the mainstream position was: oh it's so tragic and complicated) and I have no idea how widespread it really is outside the media and professional class.

      It seems like a very german reflex, to prove to themselves that nazism and antisemitism are a thing of the past, they support israel. But anyone who wants to know knows that gaza is an open air prison.

      • DerEwigeAtheist [she/her, comrade/them]
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        3 years ago

        I don't know how representative reddit is, but all majority german subs are hardcore pro israel, even nominally left ones.

        While in austrian there are plenty shitheads going " both sides", pro-israel people are generally downvoted. And takes like this upvoted:

        Seid doch nicht so antisemitisch, Israel hat das Recht sich zu verteidigen und seinen Lebensraum zu erweitern.

        The only swiss sub i could find is extremly cursed, there was one post asking about soli-demos and the comments were full of the smuggest swiss ppl going :

        we're neutral, ;-) we don't take any positions

        :agony-shivering:

        And a few people having good takes.

        So the extreme pro-israel position seems to be exclusively german.