Plant based foods systems and degrowth are necessary to combat climate change. Failure to recognize this is soft climate denialism based in profit or self interest
Regarding manure, Dr. Kassam explains that it is nothing more than biomass pushed through a ruminant’s gut, you can leave biomass on the ground and it will be taken in by “our friends the earthworms and termites”. The idea is that nature already has mechanisms in place to break down and recycle nutrients, these processes aren’t dependent on humans providing ecosystems with animals we’ve domesticated. He says, ‘So you have millions of little cows – if you want to have the cow image – in the soil already. But we have killed them. We’ve told them to bugger off with our tillage, destroying their habitats all the time. But they were there–put in there by nature to do the very thing which we then say “we need a big cow to do it”
Another instance of a technocratic solution for a social problem, which is rife when it comes to animal agriculture. Necessarily, their solutions will always be bunk. It's like trying to solve the problems posed to the environment by cars by investing in Teslas instead of degrowth and getting rid of cars, building public infrastructure. Animal ag is the problem, and it won't be solved with more animal ag.
This is similar to my deer hunting effortpost. Tldr: deer overpopulation is a lie produced and propagated by those who profit from deer hunting.
Lmao whoops, that link is dead. If anyone wants to read my deer effort post, I can repost it
Love this piece. Excellent at addressing a lot of the various propaganda out there.
Is there a serious movement for "regenerative" animal-based ag out there? The only people I hear talking about this are like carnivore diet wierdos who usually seem to be using it as a post-hoc rationalization for wanting to eat steak 5 times a day.
I once had the great displeasure of sitting in on an environmental sustainability class where the teacher basically taught exactly that. Huge lib. Also placed a ton of blame on poor POC for eating bushmeat and clear-cutting forests, as if it's their fault that they're desperately doing whatever they can to survive and not global capitalism's fault for genociding and immiserating those people. She specifically brought up Indonesia, as if the genocide of over one million communists isn't still in living memory.
Edit: according to her, you just need to eat "sustainable" meat like salmon. Fishless oceans by 2050? No, it's fine to keep eating fish, lol
Not sure if there is a movement so much as ideas of using animals in regenerative projects.
Are you asking environmentally or ethically? Are they native or are they displacing native animals and plants? Are they pet goats allowed to live out their natural lifespan or are they exploited for their labor, their secretions, and/or their corpses?
You're enslaved for your secretions, raped so you'll reproduce and produce milk (mammals don't produce milk without pregnancy), have your kids taken from you so your milk goes to your owner, not your child, then murdered when you're still young for your flesh? Sounds rough, Diestar. You deserve liberation.
Love to salute rape, it's not at all fucked.
Goat farms are not sanctuaries. The goats are there to be used for profit. They only produce milk when they are pregnant or after giving birth, just like human animals. They are continually inseminated so they keep producing milk. Their children are stolen from them and either raised for their milk and flesh or killed so that they can't have their mother's milk, otherwise the farmer will lose profit. When the goat is no longer produces as much milk, she is killed. Letting her live her natural lifespan is costly, and her body will not be worth much if it is old or diseased. Farmers are meat capitalists, and they will always put profit before ethics.
Reminder that those goats are milked and slaughtered for "meat"
I’m not sure if they’re milking them or eating them maybe both
Fuck off. If you can't read context, that's not my problem.
Edit: OP specifically came to my post about avoiding climate catastrophe to ask if farming goats for their milk and flesh is ethical if it's not done in a factory farm.
So because you're exploited, that means it's okay to exploit and murder others. Cool solidarity, comrade
https://animalliberationpressoffice.org/NAALPO/2018/08/22/new-publication-18-theses-on-marxism-and-animal-liberation
Nature is cruel so it's fine if we are too? We literally breed these people. These domesticated individuals wouldn't even be in the wild, so it's non-sequitur to bring the wild up. We shouldn't breed them at all.
Yes, please read the Marxist theory I just linked (it's not a book. It can be read in a sitting). Please also read the article about avoiding climate catastrophe (that has nothing to do with ethical veganism btw) that this comment thread is under. No offense, but your question about the ethics of goat farming has nothing to do with the article I shared. If you wanted to debate the merits of veganism, you should have posted to struggle sessions.
I mean, it sounds like the situation you're describing is really a pet rather than an actual productive farm animal?
If they're to be slaughtered, it doesn't matter if they have a nice life frolicking in daisies all the time, that can't erase the fundamental violence and exploitation of the relationship. It's like a hipster workplace where they have cool hangout sessions and hammocks in the office. It may be nicer than normal, but it is still exploitation no matter what veneer you put on it, nor is it representative of the actual conditions of most people working under capitalism.
I mean, it sounds like the situation you’re describing is really a pet rather than an actual productive farm animal?
Not really a difference is there?
What is considered productive probably doesn't need to be related the scale of the farming.
Comments, deleted now, but they said they don't know if their neighbor uses the goats for meat or milk, which can sometimes mean they are just literally pets.
I read the comments, but having had a pack of brush goats, "pets" doesn't mean "not productive".
Failure to recognize this is soft climate denialism based in profit or self interest
idk I could also just be dumb and unaware
https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-121-climate-chaos-part-i-how-the-gap-between-liberal-rhetoric-policy-promotes-denialism
https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-122-climate-chaos-part-ii-the-militarization-of-liberals-climate-change-response
Also, research tends to be kinda reductive in nature. So if you're researching large ruminants in carbon sequestration projects, you're not going to have a vegan friendly answer. It doesn't have to be because of vegan bashing it could just be outside the scope of their research efforts.
How is degrowth carried out in such a way that doesn't benefit the bourgeoisie and doesn't harm the proletariat?
I'm pretty sure that the concept of degrowth is not meant to be Malthusian in nature.