It was more about how docile and boring and unromantic and patriarchal women are here

it's so funny to be like "I want women to hit on me, but I don't want to change anything about myself and I hate women"

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Stop hurting animals

Have you read the sidebar?

I can't believe every comment is saying you should let your kid eat corpses. I assume you wouldn't let your kid kick puppies or hurt their peers. It's the same thing. It's actually good to teach your kids right and wrong. Veganism is not a personal choice or journey. It's an issue of justice. It's not like you're teaching oppressive, reactionary ideology. There's no both sides here. It's good when leftists teach their kids to fight racism and sexism and injustice; it's bad when fascists teach their kids to have no respect for anyone different from them. It's good when vegan parents teach their kids to respect non-human lives; it's bad when carnist parents teach their kids it's okay to harm other animals for entertainment and flavor.

At least in a hospital, your friends and family might be able to bring in outside food. In a prison, I might just hunger strike if they don't accommodate

Hexers: remember the vegan struggle sessions? this is why we shouldn't do lifeboat comms bc they were horrible and we hated vegans talking to us

Me: yeah, I know you hated them. That's why you poured into our comm and harassed us until most of us left or got banned. We were marginalized here bc you're reactionaries who won't stop hurting animals

Hexers: how dare you call yourself marginalized and hated, you all deserve what you got. We're gonna pour into your comm again and tell you you're out of line for posting articles that say mainstream society does the same thing as this microcosm of a website

Just the sheer irony of ppl who clearly hate us coming in to say vegans aren't hated and how dare we acknowledge that we are lol

Ironic to be told to touch grass by ppl who don't let their victims touch grass

Didn't engage with the substance of my argument at all. This bullshit is bad faith too.

Well, considering you came to my post with the sole mission of telling me to sit down and shut up bc the way vegans are marginalized is not exactly to the same degree and expression as queer marginalization, yeah, I think you fucking don't give a shit about animals or vegans.

I highly fucking doubt you read any of the articles or listened to any of the pods I linked given how quick you were to respond. You looked at one study, misinterpreted it, and ignored everything else bc you very fucking obviously don't care what I'm saying or what I'm actually arguing. You've decided in your head that what I'm actually saying is "vegans have it worse than queer ppl" and that's a very easy strawman to get mad at. I would get mad at that too if I heard someone say it. So it's a good thing no one here is arguing it.

Anyway, disengage. You're obviously not engaging with me in good faith, so I refuse to continue with you.

The US state does not give a shit about you just for being vegan, it’s when you go into harder activism that they do.

Being a leftist means actually doing shit, which is why I specified leftist vegans. Libs don't threaten power which is why the govt doesn't go after them, just like it doesn't go after internet commenters like you. I think we made it pretty fucking clear in this comm that being a vegan means fighting for nonhumans, not just being plant based, but hexers can't even read the rules in the sidebar, so I don't expect you to have read any theory. No investigation, no right to speak

Stop hurting animals

You have never walked in my shoes. I talk to vegans leftists and vegan activists everyday and the parallel between their experience and that of bi ppl like me is extremely striking. The lack of community support is extremely difficult. So many of the vegans I talk to everyday have vystopia, depression, and suicidal ideation.

https://scitechdaily.com/vegetarians-more-likely-to-be-depressed-than-meat-eaters-heres-the-science-behind-it/

https://faunalytics.org/veganism-stigma-and-you/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317768313_Discrimination_Against_Vegans

Vegans are also more likely to be poor.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animals-and-us/201508/vegetarianism-and-money-surprising-results-new-study

Carnism is so entrenched as to be invisible to you, but it's not invisible to us. Everywhere we go, we see the corpses of tortured animals being eaten in front of us, billboards and TV ads with corpses on display. Schools and hospitals and prisons don't often accommodate vegans, in fact we're often force fed animal products by such institutions, ignorant doctors prescribe us meat for ailments totally unrelated, tricked into it by community members, and mocked relentlessly by wider society. Not to even mention the shit vegan parents go through. Ppl threaten to take their kids. People harass us about being vegan when we're silent and minding our own business, let alone the shit storm that always always comes when we actually do choose to speak up.

https://joannfarb.weebly.com/blog/not-an-apologetic-vegan

https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-80-animal-rights-as-media-and-pop-culture-punchline

Animal ag is one of the biggest and most powerful industries. It drove colonization in the Americas and the current burning down of the Amazon. To say that they don't have entrenched systemic power is fucking absurd. They have the power to create laws like ag gag and the Animal Entreprise Terrorism Act, they make it illegal to tell the truth about how destructive milk is in schools and offer alternatives like water. Rescuing a pig from certain torture and death could land you behind bars with multiple felonies, because our system treats sentient beings as chattel property instead of persons and criminalizes and marginalizes those who attempt to fight that system.

https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-139-of-meat-and-men-how-beef-became-synonymous-with-settler-colonial-domination

Also you should get tf out of this comm. I'm so fucking sick of people who rape and murder animals telling us we don't get to feel upset about it, then kicking us or of the community and saying we deserve it bc simply having a voice makes us assholes. Go be a loser fucking oppression gatekeeper somewhere else. I get it, ppl you hate don't get to describe their life experiences or say they're being hurt by you

https://twitter.com/colorspctrum/status/1667257795513667597?t=WSoVTUytTTnU9vTtFmV-qQ&s=19

If you don't think I have the standing to compare my own damn experiences as a bi ace and as a vegan, you're just speaking out of ignorance and bigotry. No amount of stats and facts will convince a fucking bigot

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Enterprise_Terrorism_Act

I'm queer, asshole

Hard to teach anyone obstinately opposed to learning