It has nothing to do with sterilization. People can decide to breed if they want, no one is forcing ppl to stop breeding. What antinatalists are saying is that if you bring life into this world, there will ALWAYS be some degree of suffering, then the philosophy goes on to discuss whether suffering is worth procreation. It would help if y'all actually took time to research this from an antinatalist perspective.
I'd rather adopt a kid and try to give them the best life they could have, instead of bringing life into this world. It's all about reducing and ending suffering. I'm not motivated by some banal shit like passing on my genes or that I need to keep life going to find some meaning in this shit world.
It's not about getting rid of ppl, it's about ending procreation. There is no one to get rid of if there's absolutely no way one can be conscious about life before their birth, or that there even is life. It boils down to
Do you want to continue life, which guarantees suffering?
But is it not inherently defeatist stance? Current existence (under capitalism) is suffering, therefore won’t procreate? Like, easier to conceive end of the world than capitalism type shit
It's not defeatist at all, it's questioning whether prolonging life is even worth it. I learned about antinatalism BEFORE I became a leftist, and I'm still here with y'all fighting for socialism, a better life. But even then there are comrades who are also antinatalists that recognize that ultimately, to completely end suffering would be to end life.
I do. See, when I bring up antinatalism I get reactionary shit like ppl telling me it's a stupid and fucked up philosophy. If they're not gonna listen, who am I to keep forcing the issue onto them? Obviously I'd tell my partner and adopted kid not to procreate, and anyone that's open to the philosophy, what decision they make is on their own. Me, I'd go happily knowing I was never the cause of prolonged suffering in this world. It's as simple as that.
Of course I want revolution, the goal is to make life better and for ppl to live in better conditions. Even then I still recognize that there will always be some degree of suffering.
Antinatalism isn't inherently negative, it's a philosophy that questions existence. One doesn't have to be suicidal to decide to not have kids or to spare them from living in this world. There are couples, parents, even grandparents, that have come to terms that there was absolutely no reason to procreate. Antinatalists aren't just some sad ppl going through depression, the philosophy requires deep and critical thinking.
Occasional suffering isnt actually that bad like damn
How does one guarantee that a child will just go through "occasional suffering"?
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It has nothing to do with sterilization. People can decide to breed if they want, no one is forcing ppl to stop breeding. What antinatalists are saying is that if you bring life into this world, there will ALWAYS be some degree of suffering, then the philosophy goes on to discuss whether suffering is worth procreation. It would help if y'all actually took time to research this from an antinatalist perspective.
I'd rather adopt a kid and try to give them the best life they could have, instead of bringing life into this world. It's all about reducing and ending suffering. I'm not motivated by some banal shit like passing on my genes or that I need to keep life going to find some meaning in this shit world.
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It's not about getting rid of ppl, it's about ending procreation. There is no one to get rid of if there's absolutely no way one can be conscious about life before their birth, or that there even is life. It boils down to
Do you want to continue life, which guarantees suffering?
Stop procreating and completely end suffering.
But is it not inherently defeatist stance? Current existence (under capitalism) is suffering, therefore won’t procreate? Like, easier to conceive end of the world than capitalism type shit
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Meh, shit doomerist idea. You will grief, you will experience joy, you will live and you will die
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I shit every day, it’s not some scary occurrence
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It's not defeatist at all, it's questioning whether prolonging life is even worth it. I learned about antinatalism BEFORE I became a leftist, and I'm still here with y'all fighting for socialism, a better life. But even then there are comrades who are also antinatalists that recognize that ultimately, to completely end suffering would be to end life.
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I do. See, when I bring up antinatalism I get reactionary shit like ppl telling me it's a stupid and fucked up philosophy. If they're not gonna listen, who am I to keep forcing the issue onto them? Obviously I'd tell my partner and adopted kid not to procreate, and anyone that's open to the philosophy, what decision they make is on their own. Me, I'd go happily knowing I was never the cause of prolonged suffering in this world. It's as simple as that.
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If seeing how humans live, all the ways they suffer, and what life in this world entails isn't a red flag already, idk what else to tell you comrade.
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Of course I want revolution, the goal is to make life better and for ppl to live in better conditions. Even then I still recognize that there will always be some degree of suffering.
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Antinatalism isn't inherently negative, it's a philosophy that questions existence. One doesn't have to be suicidal to decide to not have kids or to spare them from living in this world. There are couples, parents, even grandparents, that have come to terms that there was absolutely no reason to procreate. Antinatalists aren't just some sad ppl going through depression, the philosophy requires deep and critical thinking.
How does one guarantee that a child will just go through "occasional suffering"?
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Tiresome reading posts like this over and over. It's basically just the veganism struggle again about "should we even actually care about harm?"
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