I don't know anything about the background.
"Zionist Milei wins the Argentinian presidency pledging to dollarize the economy and break all relations with Argentina's main trading partners.".
What made people vote for this guy?
same as every fascist to date, a deep capitalist crisis and the inefficiency of liberal democracy to keep it's word.
in short, argetina took some big ass loans to imf during their military dictatorship, so they are in a permanent crises since that.
in short, argetina took some big ass loans to imf during their military dictatorship, so they are in a permanent crises since that.
Funny enough, Nestor Kirchner did pay most of the loans. And that made the right and the Argentine elite really angry since their entire thing was not doing anything good and when people complained they would say that "Oh, it's because of the loans we took. We can't do anything besides neoliberal reforms".
Then Macri decided to take more loans, and Alberto decided to actually attempting to pay the loans when they should have told the IMF to go fuck themselfs.
Even in a financial sense isn't that just terrible for 90% of the people there.
Latin america is still very anti-communist, so if you run a campaign blaming everything on the leftists, you are going to be popular. It really do be as simple as that, milei just screams stupid incoherent shit and blames the left thats his whole thing.
There were mass murders of leftists throughtout all latin america and its a wound that it is still bleeding.
Plus Macri, the ex president owns a lot of the media literaly so it is quite easy for him to push for an agenda
the other option was the economic minister and they are in 140% yearly inflation and 40% poverty.
Living in Brazil and seeing this is so sad, my argentinean friends, we already experimented with the far right candidate here and you could see how fucked up everything was here and now you want a taste of the same?
At least I'm doing well now and I'm going to ask my friends if they want to come here they can crash on my house while they find something.
you won't find anything like that over here, sadly the right is taking a hold of the working class
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In all seriousness, I'm not Argentinian, but I've been told that Congress and the Judiciary are not aligned with Milei. Hopefully this means only a term of stagnation and no policy instead of actually deterioration in Argentina.
from what I've seen, this is just to save face right now that people are tense, after day one they will align and start to say that he is not that bad, we can dialogue and reach a middle ground and etc...
True. The main thing they care about is talking without actual actions, and they would rather fascism take over instead of excepting that the centrist systems of liberalism's version of democracy has failed. They fail to see that sometimes there isn't a "next time" to rely on for them or their parties to exist let alone run again.
is not that think vs act thing, my point is that this so called unaligned never even considered to oppose him or slow him in any way, instead they will legitimate him in every way, because he won "playing by the rules".
so they say they won't support him just out of demagogy, because election still fresh, people are heated.
I had a coworker that escaped Argentina and he told me he hopes Milei wins to fix the economy, wtf was going on in his head idk, he just blamed the left for Argentina's economy. I asked him why did Argentina's economy change so drastically from the 1900, he just said bad financial decisions from the left, not a mention of the UK, USA, or IMF.
Or you know, the mass murders perpetrated by the right wing military dictators.
I feel like he is a fan of the military junta, considering he also supports Israel.
The Junta hated Israel
The Andinia Plan (Spanish: Plan Andinia) is a conspiracy theory that alleged plans to establish a Jewish state in parts of Argentina and Chile. It is partly based on an exaggeration of historical proposals for organized Jewish migration to Argentina in the late 19th and the early 20th century (which, however, did not include plans for a Jewish state there).
The extreme right-wing had a strong foothold in the Argentine military, mostly through the teachings of Jordán Bruno Genta. In these circles, the Andinia Plan was sometimes assumed to be a fact, even though the Zionist movement had abandoned all plans related to Argentina decades earlier.
Later versions of the Plan, as published in Argentine Neo-Nazi media in the 1970s, involved an alleged Israel with the intention to conquer parts of Patagonia in Argentina's south, and declare a Jewish state. This theory did not take hold in mainstream political discourse. Many Israelis tour South America, some of them immediately after their military service as a gap year experience, with Patagonia being a favored destination, this is believed by conspiracy theories to be attempts to carry out the aforementioned Andinia Plan. However, there are strong reasons to doubt the relationship of these facts with the materialization of a plot to make Patagonia a second Israel, of which there is no evidence according to academic studies and the facts.
During the 1976–1983 dictatorship, some Jewish prisoners of the armed forces, notably Jacobo Timerman, were tortured for information about the Andinia plan, and were asked to provide details regarding the alleged preparations of the Israel Defense Forces for the invasion of Patagonia
Damn, thanks for the info, Im even more lost then wtf its on his mind.
wtf its on his mind.
The right doesn't need to have coherent thoughts, all it does is spread hate and lies, push the blame for social problems onto innocent people, all to distract people from the real problems that the right can't solve, since that requires real social reforms, which the bourgeoisie is always against, since that means the bourgeoisie would lose its political power.
Probably a combination of cocaine, heroin, jenkem, battery acid and bath salts.
It's incredibly easy to pin down all the negatives in a society on the left - especially if they've never been in power.
a poisoned mate will be more effective, or give him some "pitusas"
Now we will get to see to happens when a PCM redditor becomes the leader of a country, unfortunately.
What are the chances we see this guy run his country into the ground. Like that libertarian town in New Hampshire that got overrun with bears but on a national scale? This sounds like a nightmare to live through for any Argentine comrades.
Some people compared him with that, lol. I really dont know how much he will be able to do, but he will fuck up as much as he can.
Country is already in the ground.
He is definitely going to attract a lot of private investment so we will see a short term gain in growth but a massive decrease in living standards and material condition for the majority. I really hope this sparks some working class consciousness.
he isnt going to attract investment because he needs to make deals with the right wing on parliament.
He seems geared to be as subservient to Israeli and US interests as humanly possible. If there is one thing the US is good at, it is expediating states that want to prostate themselves like that.
The only possible obstacle I have heard is that their parlimentary body is pretty opposed to him and could be a roadblock to things like adopting the USD as the national currency.
Chances are 100%.
He wants to privatize all public services. And undergo dedollarization.
There is no silver living.
dedollarization
dollarisation. dedollarisation is the exact opposite of what he wants to do
the only silver lining I can think of is the sheer staggering incompetance on display might indicate he is too stupid to succeed at the things he wants to do
Combine Trump's bullshit with the attitude and ideologies from your average libertarian teenager on the internet: Javier Milei (Argentina).
From Wikipedia in Spanish:
He is a follower of the postulates formulated by economists of the Austrian school, and calls himself "anarcho-capitalist in theory", "liberal libertarian" and "minarchist in real life", although several of his political positions have been described as conservative or ultra-conservative and as fascist or neo-fascist.
From Wikipedia in English:
He criticizes comprehensive sex education in schools as a form of brainwashing, expressed skepticism towards COVID-19 vaccines, supports civilian firearm ownership, proposes to legalize the sale of human organs, promotes the far-right Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory, engages in climate change denial, and wants to restrict immigration of criminals.
Also:
Milei strongly opposes abortion, even in cases of rape, and has suggested a referendum to reconsider the 2020 law (Voluntary Interruption of Pregnancy Bill) that legalized it.
He also opposes euthanasia. Great libertarian, huh?
Basically, he was elected because he's promising fantastic changes for Argentina.
Sounds like he wants the use of a rather powerful state for someone who claims not to like the state.
wants to restrict immigration of criminals.
How is called when a politician wants to do something that is already in place? I emigrated to Argentina in 2007 and had to show police papers from my country of origin showing that I had no funny business to resolve.
From @rf_@lemmy.world:
Javier Milei is:
[...]
In favor of Austrian school of economics - Wants to remove the central bank
Adopt the US dollar
Homosexuality is a personal choice and compares it to zoophilia
Wants to freeze relationships with China, Russia, Brazil because they're communists.
Wants to align with the US, particularly Trump's party.
Against the Pope because he represents evil on Earth, and because it promotes communism which goes against the holy scriptures.
In favor of animal cloning
[...]
Almost everything is here: https://www.larazon.es/internacional/america/asi-piensa-milei-aborto-papa-corrupcion-comunismo_20230820655b13fab276150001c04e6f.html
The homosexuality one is trickier because he was explaining his libertarian views, and said: "What do I care what your sexual election is? If you want to be with an elephant—, well, if you have an elephant's consent, it is your and the elephant's problem". So... yes, he is comparing it to zoophilia, but not in the condemning tone I was imagining. It is, still, ridiculous.
“anarcho-capitalist in theory”, “liberal libertarian” and “minarchist in real life”, although several of his political positions have been described as conservative or ultra-conservative and as fascist or neo-fascist.
They wrote "fascist" 7 times in a row 😵
He also opposes euthanasia
I agree with him on that euthanasia has a terrible history including links to the holocaust.
Perhaps, but my point was that he claims he is a libertarian and then acts incoherently with topics such as euthanasia. I guess it has to do with his Catholicism. Still, I don't like his hypocrisy/incongruity.
Claiming g to be libertarian and then innediatly espousing authoritarian views about personal liberties you don't agree with is about as Libertarian as it gets.
I think you could put in a credible libertarian anti-euthanasia position by pointing to euthanasia's history of being coerced. I have very little sympathy for American pro-euthanasia positions as they resulted in the nazi policies of gassing the disabled being continued in the American portion of west Germany years after the war
Hard not to get the impression that euthanasia advocates may view me as life unworthy of life
That’s not what euthanasia advocates are asking for. That’s greedy fucking capitalists that see a quick way to get rid of you and save some money.
Euthanasia advocates want their terminally ill grandmother with cancer that’s hooked up to and only being kept alive by 6 machines; to be able to request a doctor give them a sedative and a medically lethal amount of medication so they can pass away painlessly in their sleep and stop their suffering.
Something doctors are not legally allowed to do. Putting people through endless suffering and humiliation in the final weeks, days, and hours.
yes which is how the kinder euthanasia program initially got off the ground. To start with it was about people who were chronically ill requesting to die, then the parents of chronically ill children could request it, then people could decide for people deemed mentally disabled on their behalf that they should die, then things snowballed rapidly and disabled people started being sent to gas chambers.
I am deeply uncomfortable with advocacy asking for that first step because death is then often seen as a cheaper alternative to treatment. Like that Canadian woman who was euthanised because she couldn't afford disabled accessible housing.
As a disabled person I have deep concerns that the begining of such policies could ultimately result in a threat to my life which the history of their adoption bears out
I agree that those possibilities are horrible, but this slippery slope argument just doesn’t really work. It just doesn’t address that initial point of, what do you do then with those terminally ill suffering people? There is no treatment, and any treatment you can use will only prolong the suffering. Many people incur over 70% of the medical costs over the course of their entire life in their final month alive, all to die a humiliating horrible death because doctors are legally not allowed to let the person request to be humanely put out of their misery.
Well for starters we should have single payer healthcare so dying is free
I don't have an easy answer about them living in pain, heavy sedation might help but I have no trust in a medical system that would kill them
I never said anything about the person paying for the healthcare. But that healthcare still has costs, it’s not free, if a person does not desire pointless, humiliating, and often times dangerous “treatments” to try and extend their life by a few days, why should they be forced to?
Again, the person cannot be “killed” because the doctors so desire. The person should have the ability to request that, of their own free will. Because ok, let’s say you’ve sedated them, what’s the difference? They’re not going to spring to life magically, and their family still had to watch them wither away and die and horrible death.
As the cases in Canada prove, it is incredibly easy to coerce desperate people into suicide. That's why, despite completely agreeing with you in theory of the euthanasia, i am absolutely opposed to any implementation of it in practice in capitalism.
I agree, however this is a topic that capitalism has corrupted to almost no fault of euthanasia itself. I’m mostly approaching this from a socialist lens without the pressure of a capitalist profit motive, or supremacist eugenics pressure.
Ok, but we live under capitalism right now. We aren't in the socialist utopia where only people suffering painful terminal diseases choose to end their lives. We have people that choose death because their disability payments aren't enough to cover a halfway decent place to live, let alone all of their other (often higher) expenses. Stop being naive and living in theoryland, you cannot have a program like MAID without the pressures of capitalism, the profit motive, or supremacist eugenics pressures.
For fucks sake, Canada has been forcibly sterilizing indigenous women for decades, with the most recent case I can find with a cursory search in 2019. Is this a country you would trust with euthanasia?
I’ll respond when you stop strawmanning my argument. Why do you keep putting words in my mouth about how I love MAID or Canada? Where did I ever bring up the Canadian system or praise it? You’re the only one who brought it up.
If your entire argument revolves around “Canada and capitalist corruption bad therefore insert thing bad”, then you are not engaging in good faith.
Do you think subsidized housing is bad and shouldn’t be advocated for because bad faith actors and capitalists have used it to take advantage of destitute people while getting guaranteed paychecks from the government?
Also theoryland? What the hell do you think theory is?
I agree in theory that terminally ill people should be allowed to end their lives with dignity, but seeing how it's being implemented in Canada has made me a staunch opponent of it under the current system. On top of MAID being open to those that are essentially just suffering from poverty, they're aiming to open it up to the mentally ill in 2024, and there are groups pushing for it to be open to "mature minors" as well. I don't think we should be focusing on expanding the MAID program until we're able to provide a decent life (food, housing, medical care, accommodations for disabilities, education, etc) to our neglected people before offering suicide.
I'm going to be a little Anecdote Andy here, but as someone who suffers from depression and has had suicidal thoughts in the past, the idea that I would qualify for euthanasia and that it would be an option terrifies me. In my darkest moments in the past I very well may have taken that option, at a time when I was not in my right mind and it would have been at the very least irresponsible to allow me to make a life-ending decision in that state of mind. This would be a huge barrier to having an open and honest discussion with my healthcare providers if I have it in the back of my mind that suicide through them is an option.
I agree the Canadian system is extremely disgusting, and that is not what I’m advocating for here at all.
And while I don’t want to demean you, but depression is not a terminal illness and should not qualify for euthanasia. There are treatments that work, and meaningful ways to make change. Someone with terminal AIDS, cancer, or someone simply at the end of their lives doesn’t have those options.
but depression is not a terminal illness and should qualify for euthanasia.
Just going to assume this is a typo and you meant to say "should not qualify for euthanasia"
Please read the section on eligibility of people suffering solely from mental illness and get back to me thx. This is what people mean when they say MAID is going to be applied to people that it in no way should be.
My bad, meant “should not”, thanks for catching that.
But again, why do you think that I for some reason love MAID. How is that at all relevant to the conversation. Why do you think MAID defines the euthanasia advocacy argument? Most advocates were disgusted when Canada rolled it out.
Again, you’re moving the conversation.
I recently read that the drug cocktail which is used for death penalties was invented by someone who was not a toxicologist and that produces a quite painful death, this year a mas "died" for 3 hours and his body was all filled with marks afterwards. Not to disagree with what you said, though.
Execution cocktails are very very different from what is given during ethical euthanasia, and they’re genuinely horrific.
Further, even with euthanasia, a good amount of sedative and a lethal amount of medication varies from person to person with age, race, gender, weight, and so on taking a very important role in the calculations. Doctors during executions have been known to be lax and negligent, sometimes purposeful, sometimes not, but no one cares because the person is slated to die anyways, further the person is meant to be sedated but conscious oftentimes. During euthanasia it is meant to occur under general anesthesia, or full sedation and sleep.
Will the Milei government be able to cancel the BRICS membership before it takes effect?
Yes, and if he doesnt it will be like macri o bolsonaro and mercosur, they wont use it
"la casta" won...milei won't do shit besides attacking worker's rights and leftist's freeze peach as a classic rightoid with liberal economic ideals
