What was that stuff about being racist but instead of "race" saying "culture" so it's socially acceptable ?

Bonus from OP:

Not much we can do about that. It's just Chinese culture that hacking is a normal thing...their internet cafes literally comes pre-installed with hacks for online games because if the customers kept winning then they kept paying and renting PCs.

(no they don't, a couple years ago some twitter dipshit saw a computer in an internet cafe with a map tool that was approved by the game developer and thought it was a cheat)

        • panopticon [comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          Maybe I'm wrong here but I don't see a whole lot of utopian idealization about China on shrekbear outside of memes. I think people appreciate its ostensibly Marxist influences and that it's beating the global capitalist empire at its own game.. But I could be wrong

          • disco [any]
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            3 years ago

            There’s a big contingent of Maoist zoomers here who have some pretty naive and idealistic ideas about China.

            • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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              3 years ago

              I'll admit I sometimes get that way. I swing between "we will not see capitalism fall before the planet dies" and "China will save us all within 5 years" when I'm at a high or low point. I know neither is necessarily true.

      • Gothouse [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        It's also selection bias. China is verrrry picky about who it lets in its country. You won't find any trailer trash there, for instance. You have to be college educated and have a clean criminal record. The worst they get are chuds from US or Pakistan who view China as some kind of paradise for hurting women's feelings.

        It's also how few foreigners there are in China outside the major cities. The western foreigners are often very xenophilic as well, despising their own countries and looking to China as being a better place because all the deplorables and racists aren't there. So the Chinese are charmed that a foreigner wants to learn tea ceremony and the foreigner is delighted that someone will take the time to teach her.

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          It’s also selection bias. China is verrrry picky about who it lets in its country. You won’t find any trailer trash there, for instance. You have to be college educated and have a clean criminal record.

          In theory yes. In practice, less so. There's a lot of things immigration can't independently verify, like the authenticity of college diplomas.

          I overheard more than one conversation on public transport between English "teachers" talking about how they submitted false documents or lied about their criminal records.

          • Gothouse [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Oh, they don't do that any more. All diplomas verified with the host institution. And if you have so much as a DWI or shoplifting conviction, they don't let you in. FBI records check required. And if you get caught in any shenanigans they deport your ass in an instant. It does wonders for the population.

            • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Thank God. I haven't been around for a few years so it's good to hear they're plugging the gaps.

              Now, if only they could develop a test for sex pests.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      I am Chinese and I can say that this is unfortunately a true stereotype even among Chinese people.

      A global survey about trust places China consistently as one of the most trusting countries on the planet, at least by the survey's metric.

      For what it's worth I've heard the same stereotype from people around me but anecdotally it seems to be more prevalent older generations.

      • Gothouse [none/use name]
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        3 years ago

        If you have a master's or PHd, you can find a university easily. You won't be taken seriously though because you don't speak Chinese. They'll have staff meetings and not invite you. You're kind of like an exotic pet. They like having you to show off. As long as you do your own thing and ignore the school, you'll be fine.

          • Gothouse [none/use name]
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            3 years ago

            Hahahaha. Few foreigners in China ever bother to learn Chinese. Just to become conversational is a huge effort, and to speak the language at an academic level? It would take years.

            I suppose they might start taking you seriously, but then you'd have to deal with the idiocy of their bureaucracy. Sometimes being ignorant is the best choice.

    • Gothouse [none/use name]
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      3 years ago

      "Chinese" people don't view other "Chinese" people as part of their ingroup. Thus they may be freely cheated, ripped off, etc. Your ingroup is only your hometown's people, and you can tell right away who's who because you have your own private language.

      There are just too many people in China. Not enough to go around. Take care of you and yours first.

      • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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        3 years ago

        That is how a lot of countries without massive immigration go, I'm pretty sure.

    • spectre [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      If this is so, is there any sort of cultural undercurrent to shift toward "reliability" or whatever among Chinese people?