Post your conspiracy theories about how conspiracy theories are conspiracies against actual theories.

  • space_comrade [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    You're wrong though. South America, Africa and Asia have pretty rich UFO lore, you just hear about the US cases the most because of dat cultural hegemony.

    • Pezevenk [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Not really. In a few places it sporadically becomes more frequent, especially in South America, because something received a lot of media attention. In Chile for instance the military offered a similar video which was thoroughly debunked, however it played enough that everyone started seeing aliens suddenly. But overall it's a phenomenon that started in the US and that is where it is still most prominent.

        • Pezevenk [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          The US is what, 300 million people? The world has about 7 billion people. And yet most reports come from the US. I saw some research that said around 16% of Americans claimed to have seen a UFO. I can assure you no such thing happens in any place I know. I don't know about every single country but no matter where I look, every list in numerous languages has a massively disproportionate number of UFO sightings coming from the US.

          • space_comrade [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            Most reports you personally hear about come from the US. You won't be able to get an easy overview of the entire dataset by doing a few google searches, you need to dig into this stuff a bit.

            • Pezevenk [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              I've done the digging, it's US everywhere lol. It's not that they don't exist from other countries, its just that like half of them conservatively speaking are from the US, when the US only has 300 million people or so. You also don't see nearly as many UFO hunters or whatever elsewhere.

              • space_comrade [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                There are plenty of prominent cases that resist trivial debunking that are outside of the US, like the Ariel school incident or the Belgian UFO wave for example. I don't think it's particularly significant that most of the reported cases are in the US. The phenomenon is clearly worldwide.

                Also if it is ET it would make sense they'd pay special attention to the US considering it's the current hegemon.

                • Pezevenk [he/him]
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                  4 years ago

                  The Belgian sighting has no significant differences to many other supposed sightings that have been debunked over and over. Something unusual happens, then it gets some attention, and then a million people get convinced they saw something odd because it's not hard to convince yourself you are seeing something odd by looking at the sky. Hell, a bunch of people often confuse the planet Venus for a UFO, because it is often close to the horizon and really bright. It's really not hard at all to get thousands and thousands of "sightings" after aggressively reporting on supposed UFOs. I remember when I was a little kid and I had seen some alien movie or whatever and in the following days I saw an oddly placed street lamp on some hill which I thought was a UFO, until I saw it again the next day and figured out what it was. The Ariel school thing happened to primary school children. I can't be sure exactly what it was of course but again, children are susceptible to mass hysteria especially in stressful environments and conditions, as well as really honestly believing that something which didn't happen to them actually did. Again, I also remember actually believing I heard reindeers on our roof top as a kid during Christmas. People often assume kids are either lying or saying what they really experienced, however kids can actually really believe something completely made up given the right trigger. It's not something that happens with just aliens. There's lots of cases of mass hysteria in schools for all sorts of stuff, like kids randomly falling down and having seizures for no reason after some kid started it, or satanic panic shit, or ghosts, etc. Google "school mass hysteria", you will find many cases like that (none to do with aliens, but they share similar features).

                  I don’t think it’s particularly significant that most of the reported cases are in the US.

                  It's significant because it's mostly a manifestation of certain social attitudes more so than it is something actually weird that people see.

                  • space_comrade [he/him]
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                    4 years ago

                    I don't buy the "mass hysteria" hypothesis for Ariel school. Some of the school children have been interviewed as adults and they still stick by the story. They all look like regular neurotypical people that don't seem prone to fantasy, not sure why they would keep sticking to the story it was just a child's imagination going wild.

      • space_comrade [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        Well apparently China is doing its own UFO disclosure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWKysekGJU8

        I haven't managed to independently verify all of the info in the video but the "five continents forum" things seems like it's real.

        • Pezevenk [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          All this video shows is that in a country where literally billions of people live, there is a small organization of ufologists unconnected to the government which organized an international conference. Um alright but that's not really anything to do with China doing a UFO disclosure.

          • space_comrade [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            It actually is connected to the government if the video is to be believed, did you even watch it to the end?

            All that said I couldn't really independently verify most of the info, so it might just be bullshit.

            • Pezevenk [he/him]
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              4 years ago

              It actually is connected to the government if the video is to be believed, did you even watch it to the end?

              It didn't show anything that indicated that, at least as much as I watched. Maybe it said so in some part I skipped. The closest it came to was where it said they invited a bunch of government officials. But you can invite whomever they want, they don't have to have anything to do with you. The other argument was that the Chinese government allows them to exist therefore they're directly set up by Xi himself or whatever, which is just "everyone in China is part of a CCP hive mind" nonsense. I can't even find any sources on anything about this org that don't trace back to the same couple of ufology websites.

              • space_comrade [he/him]
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                4 years ago

                Yeah I'm pretty skeptical of that too, I can't find any info myself except that it does seem like an actual thing. It did mention government officials participating in it, even on fairly high levels.