You can always fall back to “maybe it’s something mysterious we don’t know” but again this is adding extra layers of unlikely.
I think you're the one adding layers of unlikely. The point where prosaic explanations seem unlikelier than genuinely extraordinary explanations is subjective when you think about it. It boils down to your personal intuitions about what could be possible and what couldn't and it's not really based on reason. For me that threshold was crossed when trained fighter pilots started talking about seeing weird craft with no wings or engines doing weird shit.
For me that threshold was crossed when trained fighter pilots started talking about seeing weird craft with no wings or engines doing weird shit.
And yet every single one of the videos they were drawing these conclusions from (remember, the videos are exactly what they were seeing for the most part themselves, is very easily explainable otherwise and has been replicated in terms of things that happen far more routinely, and indeed given the data from the very videos displayed they performed none of the claimed maneuvers. So why would a bunch of stuff that we don't even know if they are remotely possible are the better explanation? The pilots were clearly having a brain fart, remember that point where the pilot said he started going in circles and the craft was mirroring him from the other side of the circle? This sounds like a very weird thing for the aliens to do, but it happens to be exactly what it looks when the object you are circling is sitting mostly still close to the center of the circle, while you think it's actually moving at the opposite side of the circle. And then as he tried to cut through the circle, it zoomed past him, which again sounds exactly like what it should appear like if the object is actually like half as far away from you than you think and you try going directly towards it. Like come on, that's clearly a brain fart. I don't know why they had these brain farts, it might be because they got too excited. But brain farts they were.
And that's where we disagree. I find it extremely unlikely that all those people were having "brain farts" and just decided to join along with some cooky politicians to peddle aliens to get more military money or whatever. That to me sounds way more unlikely than it actually being aliens.
Why would something that actually really happens literally all the time be more unlikely than a whole host of things that no one knows if they are even possible happened lol
Like it's not even debatable whether at least parts of their testimony is just them having a brain fart, the data from their own videos contradicts what they thought they were seeing. People worked out the speed of the object in the GO FAST video based on the angles and distances that the camera displayed on the screen and it was not going very fast at all, it was going at about wind velocity (so probably a balloon or something similar). So we know that at least the parts available to us right now did not show the behavior they thought they saw. So clearly at least parts of the testimony are brain farts.
Why would something that actually really happens literally all the time
No, well trained pilots hallucinating craft of extremely advanced technology doesn't happen literally all the time. Do you realize these people are explicitly trained in recognizing objects in the sky in a blink of an eye? They know how balloons and other fighter jets look like when they're flying.
The videos themselves are the least compelling piece of evidence IMO. Some of the leaked videos are probably mundane, some aren't, they aren't that important (yet) IMO since they really don't show much.
What you have yet to explain is why they're moving forward with this in mainstream media? I find all the usual prosaic explanations (psyop to increase funding etc.) extremely uncompelling and it honestly verges into QAnon wackjob conspiracy theory territory.
They didn't hallucinate, they just thought it was further than it was lol. Their testimonies contradicted the videos.
What you have yet to explain is why they’re moving forward with this in mainstream media? I find all the usual prosaic explanations (psyop to increase funding etc.) extremely uncompelling and it honestly verges into QAnon wackjob conspiracy theory territory.
Why is it so far fetched to you? They've done way more far fetched stuff. There is many reasons why they would do it. Some people have even more mundane explanations, like that the videos were leaked anyways (which they were) so they were like eh whatever, let's release them anyways so people stop bothering us about it and pretend like we are taking this seriously. But the DIA once took Uri Geller's supposed powers seriously and had a whole report about him even though most of his tricks are ridiculously easy to figure out (I don't even know why he got so famous in the first place, like some of his tricks are for babies, he had a trick where he supposedly read your mind and guessed what it was that you had drawn and the whole trick was literally that he was peeking and it was kinda obvious) they're not exactly a paragon of reasonable choices anyways.
Because they don't need to pull this shit, at all. There are way more elegant ways of achieving those goals, ways that they have already used many times with great success. They do not need to invent aliens, the only reason why they'd be doing that is for the fun of it.
It's nothing contrived, they just leaked a couple of videos and said "woah look, weird shit, now give money to investigate". It doesn't come at any cost. They didn't even say they were aliens, other than the pilots of course, because obviously the pilots prefer to be in the spotlight as the people who saw aliens instead of being the people who had a massive brain fart.
Alright man suit yourself, to me personally multiple skilled pilots hallucinating aliens in pretty much the same manner seems way more unlikely than actual aliens but to each their own, we'll see soon enough.
I think you're the one adding layers of unlikely. The point where prosaic explanations seem unlikelier than genuinely extraordinary explanations is subjective when you think about it. It boils down to your personal intuitions about what could be possible and what couldn't and it's not really based on reason. For me that threshold was crossed when trained fighter pilots started talking about seeing weird craft with no wings or engines doing weird shit.
And yet every single one of the videos they were drawing these conclusions from (remember, the videos are exactly what they were seeing for the most part themselves, is very easily explainable otherwise and has been replicated in terms of things that happen far more routinely, and indeed given the data from the very videos displayed they performed none of the claimed maneuvers. So why would a bunch of stuff that we don't even know if they are remotely possible are the better explanation? The pilots were clearly having a brain fart, remember that point where the pilot said he started going in circles and the craft was mirroring him from the other side of the circle? This sounds like a very weird thing for the aliens to do, but it happens to be exactly what it looks when the object you are circling is sitting mostly still close to the center of the circle, while you think it's actually moving at the opposite side of the circle. And then as he tried to cut through the circle, it zoomed past him, which again sounds exactly like what it should appear like if the object is actually like half as far away from you than you think and you try going directly towards it. Like come on, that's clearly a brain fart. I don't know why they had these brain farts, it might be because they got too excited. But brain farts they were.
And that's where we disagree. I find it extremely unlikely that all those people were having "brain farts" and just decided to join along with some cooky politicians to peddle aliens to get more military money or whatever. That to me sounds way more unlikely than it actually being aliens.
Why would something that actually really happens literally all the time be more unlikely than a whole host of things that no one knows if they are even possible happened lol
Like it's not even debatable whether at least parts of their testimony is just them having a brain fart, the data from their own videos contradicts what they thought they were seeing. People worked out the speed of the object in the GO FAST video based on the angles and distances that the camera displayed on the screen and it was not going very fast at all, it was going at about wind velocity (so probably a balloon or something similar). So we know that at least the parts available to us right now did not show the behavior they thought they saw. So clearly at least parts of the testimony are brain farts.
No, well trained pilots hallucinating craft of extremely advanced technology doesn't happen literally all the time. Do you realize these people are explicitly trained in recognizing objects in the sky in a blink of an eye? They know how balloons and other fighter jets look like when they're flying.
The videos themselves are the least compelling piece of evidence IMO. Some of the leaked videos are probably mundane, some aren't, they aren't that important (yet) IMO since they really don't show much.
What you have yet to explain is why they're moving forward with this in mainstream media? I find all the usual prosaic explanations (psyop to increase funding etc.) extremely uncompelling and it honestly verges into QAnon wackjob conspiracy theory territory.
They didn't hallucinate, they just thought it was further than it was lol. Their testimonies contradicted the videos.
Why is it so far fetched to you? They've done way more far fetched stuff. There is many reasons why they would do it. Some people have even more mundane explanations, like that the videos were leaked anyways (which they were) so they were like eh whatever, let's release them anyways so people stop bothering us about it and pretend like we are taking this seriously. But the DIA once took Uri Geller's supposed powers seriously and had a whole report about him even though most of his tricks are ridiculously easy to figure out (I don't even know why he got so famous in the first place, like some of his tricks are for babies, he had a trick where he supposedly read your mind and guessed what it was that you had drawn and the whole trick was literally that he was peeking and it was kinda obvious) they're not exactly a paragon of reasonable choices anyways.
Because they don't need to pull this shit, at all. There are way more elegant ways of achieving those goals, ways that they have already used many times with great success. They do not need to invent aliens, the only reason why they'd be doing that is for the fun of it.
It's nothing contrived, they just leaked a couple of videos and said "woah look, weird shit, now give money to investigate". It doesn't come at any cost. They didn't even say they were aliens, other than the pilots of course, because obviously the pilots prefer to be in the spotlight as the people who saw aliens instead of being the people who had a massive brain fart.
Alright man suit yourself, to me personally multiple skilled pilots hallucinating aliens in pretty much the same manner seems way more unlikely than actual aliens but to each their own, we'll see soon enough.