Another escalation against the proletariat, although I think that Biden's administration is sanctifying a lot of what Trump did in his previous term, which only gives more ideological unity to increasingly fascistic policies.

  • Maoo [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    Pretty early for the liberal united front rhetoric from CPUSA. One would think they have nothing better to do. In fact, the timing makes me think this is intended to push back against flagging support for Biden, which is pretty gross given that we're trying to oppose a settler-colonial genocide, here.

    I also wonder whether they have a single person that knows how to do strategy there. Who is the audience for this? Reactionaries will see this as an endorsement for Trump. Liberals won't care. Other self-proclaimed communists will push back on it. This leaves a squishy SocDem/DemSoc group of baby lefties made up mostly of people that will call you a tankie. For the remainder... it is November 2023. If this makes any of them talk to me about this bullshit already, I will hold you personally accountable.

    • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
      hexagon
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      1 year ago

      "Pretty early for the liberal united front rhetoric from CPUSA. One would think they have nothing better to do. In fact, the timing makes me think this is intended to push back against flagging support for Biden, which is pretty gross given that we're trying to oppose a settler-colonial genocide, here."

      That's not what this is about and we don't support or endorse Democrats.

      "Who is the audience for this?"

      People like me.

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        • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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          1 year ago

          "urgency of voting for democrats to defeat the republicans and save democracy"

          We do not.

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            • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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              1 year ago

              "#voteagainstfascism hard in 2020"

              We really didn't.

              "armed struggle is categorically off the table, electoralism only"

              It isn't.

              "but you don't run competing candidates"

              We do (see: justine Medina)

              "and you don't want to criticize democrats too much for fear of hurting their electoral chances"

              We've done a lot of this.

              "and the republican is an existential danger to democracy that has to be stopped, specifically through voting"

              We dont' believe this.

              "and you view the green new deal and build back better as key struggles to peacefully move the us to literally bill-of-rights socialism"

              We've never said this.

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                • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  Uhh, you're taking a lot of these out of context; for example, we can't say out loud that we're not for peaceful means, otherwise you get the Third Red Scare.

      • Maoo [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        That's not what this is about

        It's what the timing speaks to. Anyone cognizant of the current political climate would not publish this unless they were trying to sheepdog for Biden. The only question is whether it's intentional or whether it's incompetence.

        we don't support or endorse Democrats.

        CPUSA has an explicit unified front with libs strategy: https://cpusa.org/party_info/party-program/. Section V in particular. Any time CPUSA members mention "all people's front" it's a helpful indicator.

        The CPUSA chapter / whatever in my area explicitly canvassed for Biden.

        CPUSA ran constant anti-Trump, clearly pro-Biden campaigns in 2020. See the Vote Against Fascism campaign: https://www.cpusa.org/article/call-to-action-vote-against-fascism/

        People like me.

        Does that mean CPUSA members or...?

        • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Yes, CPUSA members. CPUSA did not do that during 2020. Also, that's not what the United Front is about.

          • Maoo [none/use name]
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            1 year ago

            Yes, CPUSA members.

            So then it makes no sense. Something written for members that's published publicly and on Daily Kos first.

            CPUSA did not do that during 2020.

            It did and I've provided you with the examples.

            Also, that's not what the United Front is about.

            It obviously is.

            • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
              hexagon
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              1 year ago

              It was republished from Daily Kos for the benefit of CPUSA members; in other words, curated.

              "It obviously is."

              It's not.

              • Maoo [none/use name]
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                1 year ago

                It was republished from Daily Kos for the benefit of CPUSA members; in other words, curated.

                It feels condescending to explain this, but if it was published on Daily Kos first then its intended audience was not CPUSA members. While I disagree with the author, I do not think they're so incompetent that they think that is the way to communicate with membership and not, say, the largely SocDem/liberal audience of that website.

                "It obviously is."

                It's not.

                I've used CPUSA sources to explain how it is. Please feel free to engage with the substance of what I've said.

                • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
                  hexagon
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                  1 year ago

                  "then its intended audience was not CPUSA members."

                  That makes no sense, no offense; it was clearly curated.

                  "the largely SocDem/liberal audience of that website."

                  It's meant to also attrack audiences outside of the Marxist-Leninist rank-and-file; you're over-focusing on one article.

                  "I've used CPUSA sources to explain how it is. Please feel free to engage with the substance of what I've said."

                  You've used only a few at best.

                  • Maoo [none/use name]
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                    1 year ago

                    That makes no sense, no offense; it was clearly curated.

                    It doesn't make sense that no competent person would publish on a liberal blog in order to address communist party membership? Please explain.

                    It's meant to also attrack audiences outside of the Marxist-Leninist rank-and-file; you're over-focusing on one article.

                    It's obvious that this is the primary audience, yes. I assume the author isn't so incompetent as to think that publishing on Daily Kos is how you talk to CPUSA members.

                    Not sure what you mean by over-focusing. The entire post is just this article.

                    You've used only a few at best.

                    Please feel free to engage with the substance of what I've said.

                    • Pluto [he/him, he/him]
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                      1 year ago

                      "It doesn't make sense that no competent person would publish on a liberal blog in order to address communist party membership? Please explain."

                      I already said it was curated.

                      "It's obvious that this is the primary audience, yes."

                      It's not the only audience though.

                      "Not sure what you mean by over-focusing. The entire post is just this article."

                      Well, there you go.

                      "Please feel free to engage with the substance of what I've said."

                      I already have.

                      • Maoo [none/use name]
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                        1 year ago

                        I already said it was curated.

                        And?

                        It's not the only audience though.

                        That's implied by the qualifier "primary", yes.

                        Well, there you go.

                        ?

                        I already have.

                        Absolutely false.