Like what, besides literally just the most basic "I like gay" shit is in this case "allowed" at pride because of being "integral" to your sexuality/gender? I deadass just dont understand the logic, if it exists.

Like why is leather "allowed" at pride then, is being a biker integral to your sexuality?(I obviously know the cultural history for leathers association with queer culture, but kink has similar history and associations so this isnt a valid differentiation).

Just boggles me real hard, I know its probably just a bad faith argument but I still wanna find out what the actual possible reasoning is.

  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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    3 years ago

    Again though, how is music "integral" to queer history then, cause absolutely not all or probably the majority queer people then or now are into shitty disco music yet it can still be a cultural signifier for some, and just cause music includes themes of being gay doesnt prevent cishets from talking about being into that kind of music, this just sounds like super forced bullshit to single out kink to me.

    And it doesnt even matter anyways since not even Stonewall is universal and integral even if its common between a lot of queer people and communities, if we are talking about stuff that is integral to identity it pretty much can only be the identity itself as experienced internally and through the most general expressions of "I do romance/sex with the same gender" or "I dont identify with my AGAB". Anything outside that cannot be universally shared between all individuals and all communities so how can it be integral to either of those being valid as queer?

    • newusername [she/her]
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      3 years ago

      No I think it's clearly a bit different, music with gay themes has specific meaning to the queer community that it does not for cishet people. If this was a celebration of particular LGBTQ+ celebrities who were into kink or something that they created with an inherent meaning directly relevant to queer people, this would be different. Most kink expression is not that way, it is quite literally "Some gay people were into BDSM" for the majority of the argument which means nothing to me.

      • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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        3 years ago

        Just sounds like policing specific expression and deciding that kink isnt special enough to be valid as queer expression when queer people use it to explore and express their sexuality and gender, there absolutely can exist a specific meaning to those queer people who engage in kink and fetishes that doesnt exist for cishets in the same way. To decide otherwise is just denying peoples right to define their own experience and expression, in my view.

        And I'm not about to start explaining in detail my own explorations of gender and sexuality through kink to prove this shit either.

          • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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            3 years ago

            nah, go fuck off, you're literally the only person in this debate that has policed other peoples gayness and transness and comparing kink to "sexual violation" is extremely fucking reactionary.

              • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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                3 years ago

                No, genuinely fuck off, I'm amazed you havent been banned yet for this dogshit.

                You dont get to accuse me of being a cop about other peoples experiences of being gay when I havent spent a single letter on this thread denigrating anyones credentials of being gay or trans for not engaging in kink, while you have spent the thread doing nothing but that in regards to removing all queer expression from queer people engaging in kink in a way they explicitly experience as and consider part of their queer identity.

                You have done nothing but strawman other people and bring in shock value by bringing up scat or implying there is sexual violation going on, go fuck yourself with this bad faith bullshit.

                  • Huldra [they/them, it/its]
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                    3 years ago

                    Stop dodging the fact that you flat out lied about me policing other peoples sexuality, you do nothing but fucking strawman people and now you are doing it again by accusing me of taking away consent, I have not made any kind of statement or mention of that, you are accusing me of being reactionary and supporting sexual harrassment, I have done nothing of the sort, go fuck yourself, I dont wanna see you in my inbox again, next time I see you better be in the modlog you piece of shit.