Jeez you’re very legalistic about the definition of crust punk lol.
I dated a crust punk girl for a while and more folk-ish people were hanging around her crustie house a lot, seems to be decent cross over between the communities so I don’t think most people really give a fuck if you accidentally call a folk punk a crustie.
Honestly early grimes doesn’t fit any label well. She had a bit of a punk aesthetic in terms of her fashion which was a bit crust as time, and the boat trip thing does seem like something a folk punk would do but she also makes electronic music so who the fuck know.
I've been heavily involved in punk for about fifteen years and live with someone who's been crust as fuck since the early 90s. Folk punk was basically a bunch of rich hipsters doing a rough appropriation of the look and kinda just forced themselves on the scene. Very underground punk has been an extending network going back to the early 80s and generally building on a history. A bunch of very different people playing very different music who act very different just kinda deciding they're part now has been a pain in the ass for a long time now.
Maybe the scene I was fucking around in during my 20s was just unique but punk was pretty “big tent”, as long as you liked some kind of punk music and didn’t look like a total normie you were free to just hang around and identify as whatever. Plus the punks, metal heads and indie hipster nerds all hung together and fucked and nobody really cared much about labels.
My perspective is from touring and travelling, some may hang out or party together but there's coming out to some shows or parties and actually being involved ie securing venues, putting on shoes, getting touring bands in and doing the DIY punk legwork. Folk punks seem to kinda have their own network over time but when the nitty gritty of organizing shit comes in there's a lot of difference.
Eh maybe it’s just cuz this was a smaller city but there really wasn’t much segregation, bands of wildly different genres would play the same shows. People from both “scenes” and others would show. The lead singer of our biggest street punk band was bonking the bassist for this goth new wave band, nobody really gave a shit if you like indie music you were part of the “scene”. ___
I'm in a small city as well. But we also have a rediculous musical output for the population. We got pop punk Ramones ripoff bar bands doing their own thing, punks who are all at least crust flavored, we don't really have Casualties looking steet punks at all, varying folk punk types from oogle to softboi, hardcore kids and metal dudes and usually shows are basically just punk with maybe one or two hardcore kid bands or only folk punk and the other punks don't show up. Everyone plays in like 3-5 bands so you can get a show going with very few band members to draw from.
Essentially most crust punks don't like folk punk and folk punk kids will come out to shows but will never listen to crust in their own time. Aside from that everyone is poor and tend to draw from similar resources like different animals at the same watering hole.
Folk is not crust. You can be homeless and like music without being a crusty. It's a music genre and has its own style.
Jeez you’re very legalistic about the definition of crust punk lol.
I dated a crust punk girl for a while and more folk-ish people were hanging around her crustie house a lot, seems to be decent cross over between the communities so I don’t think most people really give a fuck if you accidentally call a folk punk a crustie.
Honestly early grimes doesn’t fit any label well. She had a bit of a punk aesthetic in terms of her fashion which was a bit crust as time, and the boat trip thing does seem like something a folk punk would do but she also makes electronic music so who the fuck know.
I've been heavily involved in punk for about fifteen years and live with someone who's been crust as fuck since the early 90s. Folk punk was basically a bunch of rich hipsters doing a rough appropriation of the look and kinda just forced themselves on the scene. Very underground punk has been an extending network going back to the early 80s and generally building on a history. A bunch of very different people playing very different music who act very different just kinda deciding they're part now has been a pain in the ass for a long time now.
Maybe the scene I was fucking around in during my 20s was just unique but punk was pretty “big tent”, as long as you liked some kind of punk music and didn’t look like a total normie you were free to just hang around and identify as whatever. Plus the punks, metal heads and indie hipster nerds all hung together and fucked and nobody really cared much about labels.
My perspective is from touring and travelling, some may hang out or party together but there's coming out to some shows or parties and actually being involved ie securing venues, putting on shoes, getting touring bands in and doing the DIY punk legwork. Folk punks seem to kinda have their own network over time but when the nitty gritty of organizing shit comes in there's a lot of difference.
Eh maybe it’s just cuz this was a smaller city but there really wasn’t much segregation, bands of wildly different genres would play the same shows. People from both “scenes” and others would show. The lead singer of our biggest street punk band was bonking the bassist for this goth new wave band, nobody really gave a shit if you like indie music you were part of the “scene”. ___
I'm in a small city as well. But we also have a rediculous musical output for the population. We got pop punk Ramones ripoff bar bands doing their own thing, punks who are all at least crust flavored, we don't really have Casualties looking steet punks at all, varying folk punk types from oogle to softboi, hardcore kids and metal dudes and usually shows are basically just punk with maybe one or two hardcore kid bands or only folk punk and the other punks don't show up. Everyone plays in like 3-5 bands so you can get a show going with very few band members to draw from.
Essentially most crust punks don't like folk punk and folk punk kids will come out to shows but will never listen to crust in their own time. Aside from that everyone is poor and tend to draw from similar resources like different animals at the same watering hole.