based or cringe? One one hand human right activists in these countries are using Twitter to create awareness about the local isseus. On the other hand, CIA also uses it to manufacture consent to whatever plans they got

    • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]
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      3 years ago

      no ...

      This is media controlled by the empire ... so banning it suspens Heegemonic linies of Influence...

      also dont dissmiss people as tools this easy ...

        • blobjim [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Twitter literally deleted a tweet from the country's own president. The tweet wasn't even that inflammatory.

          • soufatlantasanta [any]
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            3 years ago

            literally so fucking what

            he could have opened diplomatic channels, done literally anything other than this to counter that. what is wrong with people on this thread jesus fuck I swear half of you are 14 year olds edgelords with hammer and sickle avis who have never travelled outside the United States and think anything is based if it targets anything in the US without actually considering any broader repercussions for the global working class get a FUCKING grip

            if you've ever travelled to an authoritarian country in the Global South you know they rarely if ever do things in the direct interests of their people. America has had a big hand in keeping it that way but shit like banning social media and putting up firewalls is completely aside from that

            • blobjim [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              It was Twitter, an American company, that deleted the tweet. I would always side with some crap leader in another country over the US government's designs. Deal with one's own country first. I don't entirely know about Nigeria-US relations but Nigeria is a part of China's Belt and Road Initiative, so there's always the potential for a US coup.

              • soufatlantasanta [any]
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                3 years ago

                come back and talk to me once your understanding of international relations has progressed beyond that of an edgy 11-year-old who discovered Marxism two weeks ago and now thinks everything Twitter does is personally directed by Langley through voodoo dolls. I'm not denying it can be used as a tool of US imperialism, I'm saying banning it in response to that is idiotic and leaders in the global south who do so have demonstrated that they're doing it out of spite and because it conflicts with their own self-interest, like Modi and now Buhari

                • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]
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                  3 years ago

                  man you are really quick with the name calling , do you ever ask yourself that you might lose something of value when you call people not agreeing with you : "edgy 11-year-old who discovered Marxism two weeks ago "

                  instead of considering what they say about "Sovereignty" a tiny little bit .... ?

                  • soufatlantasanta [any]
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                    3 years ago

                    instead of considering what they say about “Sovereignty” a tiny little bit … ?

                    you're assuming I haven't considered their viewpoints. I have. It's because of personal experience living in the global south that I think the arguments in favor of governments that want to ban online platforms are wack

        • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]
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          3 years ago

          "Ideological trap victim" detected:

          Souvreign Nation Does Something ----> Invoce single ideological Moral principle based on your cultural Indoctrination (Media Banning is Bad: Something something ... "FREEDOM !" ) ----> Argue on your Ideological Principle ---> Do not even consider why Sovereign nation had to do it , Do not even consider Imperialism and Geopolitics ,

          Just stay up in the clouds arguing Moral prinicples , its so easy , you dont need to know a single thing more then your Moral Prinicple and you can look down on the world with smug...

          And call people Names , ...

    • StaticDreams [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      How exceedingly smooth is your brain if you think Twitter is media? It's not media, it's a shitty platform that's collectively turning our brains into gloop as we all yell at each other why a caramel frappuccino is actually cultural appropriation.

    • hahafuck [they/them]
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      3 years ago

      But what if there is an alternate infrastructure in place that isn't captured by American imperialist multinationals? Not saying that is the case in Nigeria, but what about the great firewall and all that

      • soufatlantasanta [any]
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        3 years ago

        It's not the case in Nigeria so why are you trying to intentionally distract from the issue here, which is government suppressing a popular platform just because Bukhari's fee-fees got hurt?

        • hahafuck [they/them]
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          3 years ago

          Just trying to make conversation really, i disagree with the staking of an absolute position in this matter but probably agree with you in this specific case

          • soufatlantasanta [any]
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            3 years ago

            fair enough. I guess in that case it makes sense but a big difference between China and Nigeria is that despite being wary of American tech and enacting restrictive internet policies, China's government is still nominally ML and still generally does its duty and service for its people. It's not comprised of military bureaucrats who got their posts from a junta, and it's not led by a military leader who has been in power for 30 years after taking it in a brutal coup.

            Despite all the nonsense people on reddit say about him, Xi is a pretty normal dude. Buhari is not.

    • blobjim [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      That's pretty reductive and glosses over a whole lot of context...

        • blobjim [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Right. A tweet from the president of Nigeria was deleted by an American company. Seems like a bigger deal than some guy getting banned on twitter.

            • ThomasMuentzner [he/him, comrade/them]
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              3 years ago

              can you not ( in your mind ) Remove yourself from the Person itself -Right wing Dip Shit what ever - ,

              • and understand that : AMERICAN COMPANY CENCORING NIGERIAN PRESIDENT , is the Issue here and nothing else ...

              Did you not gloriously invoce a Principle yourself : "Everyone cheering as media is Banned is a Tool" ..

              There are other Principles in Game here is called "Sovereignty"

              Why do you focus arrogantly on a single one .... ?

            • blobjim [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              I literally don't care who he is or what his motives are. Complaining about the Nigerian government banning Twitter (he is the head of state right, it's not like this was just his personal decision like they're framing it) is pointless. More countries should ban western platforms and use other ones (does China have any that other countries could use?). Anything that gives American companies less power is good. Of course it sucks for Nigerian twitter users though.

      • soufatlantasanta [any]
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        3 years ago

        why are you caping so hard for a fucking authoritarian who literally came to power as the result of a military coup. why is everyone on this thread taking crazypills. are there seriously people who think Buhari is a leftist? he isn't even like a half socdem half Marxist like Xi or some of the CPC people who at least seem to have their nation's interests at heart. he's an authoritarian fuckstick who violently suppresses any dissent.

        talk to an actual Nigerian for once in your fucking life I swear to god

        • SweetCheeks [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          half socdem half Marxist like Xi

          ah yes, thanks for your insight.

        • blobjim [he/him]
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          3 years ago

          Except that was in the 1980s and he's currently in office as the result of elections. The country is also part of Belt and Road.

          • soufatlantasanta [any]
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            3 years ago

            that's right, I forgot military coups are ok if they happened in the 80s. cool, I just forgave Compaore for killing Thomas Sankara! I thought he was guilty but he's not because it happened years ago. based! also every country that is in Belt and Road can automatically do no wrong because they're part of Belt and Road. excellent logic my good sir

            • blobjim [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              Guess we should just overthrow them right. Let's ignore reality and start the revolution now!