Have ya'll ever met eugenicists and racists? those are some of the most natalist motherfuckers out there. You think all the mystic woo woo "having children is like +1 good" bullshit you want, THOSE PEOPLE THINK THAT HARDER THAN YOU DO!!!
This rant is sponsored by yesterday's grandma demanding in the form of a question when I'm going to shit out babies for her and also random strawman comments in an obscure subreddit.
Edit: ITT: people actually starting to bully me for not wanting to have kids. Did not expect this on "leftist" website.
Anti-natalism is just Reddit-tier reactionary bullshit that should long have been banned from this website. I truly don't understand why it hasn't yet. It's about as reactionary as anarcho-primitivism. Like, imagine peddling this reactionary bullshit to Gazan women who just gave birth surrounded by rubble. The anti-natalist's first reaction is to spit in the faces of these happy women for having the shameless audacity to bring forth children into a cruel life in a concentration camp, a concentration camp that is undergoing the final solution courtesy of IDF fighter jets no less.
Antinatalism is not allowed on the site or in this community. I have left this thread up because of the good work comrades have and are continuing to do to debunk it. If the tone sours, I will lock it.
It is banned from this website. There’s an entire sidebar that talks about how much it sucks.
This shows the fundamental issue, which is when one fails to temper any sort of analysis like anti-natalism with an outright anti-individualistic lens.
When you are even remotely willing to entertain individual solutions to moral issues, anti-natalism becomes a horrific ideology. Nothing about it is redeemable, as it merely condemns those who are already suffering.
But when viewed through a purely social lens, it becomes much more palatable. The question then becomes how best to reduce child birth and in the least horrific way possible. The answer is socialism, followed by intense philosophical scrutiny and elevation.
However, calling the latter anti-natalism is… questionable, but only because of the individualistic nature of the currently existing movement, and the extreme lack of moral judgement. That, and the very real possibility that said philosophical scrutiny could reveal an entirely different mindset, and might not even lead to anti-natalism. The alternative: forced genocide and sterilization, though, is much worse, so it still makes sense to go for the cultural route, ultimately. Plus, whoever is theoretically disagreeing with anti natalism in the theoretical communist future might just be correct. They probably have much better philosophical tools and perspectives then we do.
Antinatalism is nonsensical edgy thrashing at best, and Malthusian at worst. It's usually the thrashing, but it's presence on the modern internet has clearly been guided and platformed by the latter. Building socialism as a method of reducing birthrate is a generous redirection, but the core concept of antinatalism is always purely individual and irredeemable as you've stated.
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