There's some dumb stuff in this piece, but I'm glad SOMEONE in Washington with influence is speaking out against the emerging consensus. Hooray for Succdem Grampa

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  • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    lol did you just quote my entire post?

    M4A was outside of “media orthodoxy” until it wasn’t

    Yes, the window of acceptable discourse changes over time.

    • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      Yes, the window of acceptable discourse changes over time.

      M4A has been part of the discourse dating back to at least FDR

      • MarxMadness [comrade/them]
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        4 years ago

        You keep asserting things out of thin air and ignoring any counterpoints.

        You asserted that something like M4A has long been part of mainstream media coverage of healthcare. I pointed out how M4A was shut out of the healthcare debate from maybe 2009-15, which was the whole reason Bernie ran in 2016 in the first place. Rather than responding to this, you just re-asserted what you said initially. You've done this a few times now -- I'm out.

        • Mrtryfe [none/use name]
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          4 years ago

          You keep asserting things out of thin air and ignoring any counterpoints.

          Yeah I'm the one completely refusing to understand how the media apparatus only allows a specitic range of opinion and rhetoric so as not to shake any underlying foundations of neoliberal interests, something which has been historically apparent over the decades. M4A is included in that, and the fact that M4A has been in and out of media consciousness several times over the past century just further proves the point.

          I don't know if you're just being wilfully obtuse or what. If you want to defend a dead end like Bernie, that's fine, just don't try and rationalize it into some "hiding power levels" bullshit.