We've been working on making this happen for months by slowly draining the left from the community. Looking forwards to seeing it gone for good. Once a community just becomes a bunch of fascists it even starts turning off liberals who leave, at that point the community gets worse and worse and worse until it's gone.
If you run any subreddit on reddit please consider running safestbot and auto-banning any participants of pcm. Then in mod mail tell them that they'll be unbanned if they stop participating there, explain that it does nothing but harm to the left and it is in the interests of every leftist to strategically cease participation.
We've been doing this for a long time and are confident it has been working. I encourage others to do it too.
/r/socialism, among others, although I actually think /r/socialism is one of the ones we're not implementing it on currently, it might be time I had that conversation though. I wouldn't say "run" either. They're all collective efforts of the work of many people. It's not just places I run doing it though, leftist mods have pretty good backchannel communications and relationships, at least amongst the left-unity crowd, there's a bunch doing it that I'm not part of.
What about people who never ever put on a PCM flair and only drop in to attack the idea of the subreddit as a whole, or call people liars for referring to nazism as not right-wing, and then never reply to any comment demanding to "flair up" so as to not be banned?
Maybe you could ban anyone with a flair automatically? It's required for real participation.
I think it's important to attack the sub itself instead of getting into stupid ass straw man meme wars
Let me be clear, either way that's some flavor if fucking awesome and I'm proud of you :michael-laugh:
Do you remember when chuds would come to our subreddit? Did we listen to them? We did not. I don't know why you'd spend time and effort expecting a better reaction from the users in a fascist subreddit.
Oh because it frequently gets on the front page. It's not for the dipshits in the subreddit at all
The subreddit is specifically designed to appear neutral for the less politically engaged who stroll in on le epic may may.
Most fash subreddits are openly hostile to anyone left of center, but the power of PCM is specifically that they have people with green and red squares guffawing along and "actually I agree"ing to fascist shit. This circumvents the "wow this place is a bunch of nazis" lib response, so their shit is least effective if there's a bunch of unflaired "this is stupid nazi shit, the whole sub is fake" posts interspersed in the comments.
The macro I show people that are actual-leftists who get caught by this is below. The point is to catch actual leftists. The community of pcm only deteriorates through non-participation. Every leftist in there fighting, voting, and reporting content is helping to make the reddit admins think it is a mixed space and you're helping keep content down and away from front page. As well as helping to report it. Stop doing all of it.
The reddit admins rely on the community reports. When communities aren't reporting their bad content it is the point at which admins have to step in.
We unban these leftists from our communities immediately when they're found, but they must stop their participation or the bot will eat them again.
We get hit by so many reactionaries we use a bot as a necessary measure just to keep the workload manageable by auto-removing people that participate in reactionary subreddits.
You've primarily been hit for the pcm activity -- You should consider quitting it. It's a space that deeply harms the left and exists only to make nazis seem quirky and relatable while simultaneously laundering their image from the long held academic position of "far right" to the ridiculous pcm position of auth-centre.
It doesn't benefit the left whatsoever to work with nazis. The sub would implode if the reactionary left still participating there would just leave it like every other nazi space on the site does.
Letting it go unreported and letting it all get to the top yep yep.
One of the things that was a major component in keeping the place more reasonable was the existence of a real left in the space previously. This left would vote down the nazi shit and force them to be much more crypto in order to gain upvotes.
As the left has been drained, the counter-acting voters have been drained and the subreddit has become more and more mask off with its content.
Submitters are karma-driven so they pander to upvotes, if you change the voting base of a community you change the content of that community.
We've been working on making this happen for months by slowly draining the left from the community. Looking forwards to seeing it gone for good. Once a community just becomes a bunch of fascists it even starts turning off liberals who leave, at that point the community gets worse and worse and worse until it's gone.
If you run any subreddit on reddit please consider running safestbot and auto-banning any participants of pcm. Then in mod mail tell them that they'll be unbanned if they stop participating there, explain that it does nothing but harm to the left and it is in the interests of every leftist to strategically cease participation.
We've been doing this for a long time and are confident it has been working. I encourage others to do it too.
Holy shit this is amazing
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/r/socialism, among others, although I actually think /r/socialism is one of the ones we're not implementing it on currently, it might be time I had that conversation though. I wouldn't say "run" either. They're all collective efforts of the work of many people. It's not just places I run doing it though, leftist mods have pretty good backchannel communications and relationships, at least amongst the left-unity crowd, there's a bunch doing it that I'm not part of.
Tronald started it, the legend.
What about people who never ever put on a PCM flair and only drop in to attack the idea of the subreddit as a whole, or call people liars for referring to nazism as not right-wing, and then never reply to any comment demanding to "flair up" so as to not be banned?
Maybe you could ban anyone with a flair automatically? It's required for real participation.
I think it's important to attack the sub itself instead of getting into stupid ass straw man meme wars
Let me be clear, either way that's some flavor if fucking awesome and I'm proud of you :michael-laugh:
Do you remember when chuds would come to our subreddit? Did we listen to them? We did not. I don't know why you'd spend time and effort expecting a better reaction from the users in a fascist subreddit.
Oh because it frequently gets on the front page. It's not for the dipshits in the subreddit at all
The subreddit is specifically designed to appear neutral for the less politically engaged who stroll in on le epic may may.
Most fash subreddits are openly hostile to anyone left of center, but the power of PCM is specifically that they have people with green and red squares guffawing along and "actually I agree"ing to fascist shit. This circumvents the "wow this place is a bunch of nazis" lib response, so their shit is least effective if there's a bunch of unflaired "this is stupid nazi shit, the whole sub is fake" posts interspersed in the comments.
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The macro I show people that are actual-leftists who get caught by this is below. The point is to catch actual leftists. The community of pcm only deteriorates through non-participation. Every leftist in there fighting, voting, and reporting content is helping to make the reddit admins think it is a mixed space and you're helping keep content down and away from front page. As well as helping to report it. Stop doing all of it.
The reddit admins rely on the community reports. When communities aren't reporting their bad content it is the point at which admins have to step in.
We unban these leftists from our communities immediately when they're found, but they must stop their participation or the bot will eat them again.
Ohhhh that actually makes a lot of sense. Letting it go unreported is how to ban them. Ok, that's brilliant. You convinced me.
Letting it go unreported and letting it all get to the top yep yep.
One of the things that was a major component in keeping the place more reasonable was the existence of a real left in the space previously. This left would vote down the nazi shit and force them to be much more crypto in order to gain upvotes.
As the left has been drained, the counter-acting voters have been drained and the subreddit has become more and more mask off with its content.
Submitters are karma-driven so they pander to upvotes, if you change the voting base of a community you change the content of that community.
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